• Herr Woland@lemmy.worldOP
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      One, Mathematics is the language of nature. Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns everywhere in nature.

      Edit: it’s a quote from this excellent movie, pi: https://youtu.be/yRjkQT9xLZs

      • quazar@lemmy.world
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        Eh, no. Mathematics is an hallucination of ours we are trying to desperately map onto reality. I say this as a mathematician. When you look out into our reality, you know what we see? A curved universe. There is nothing in our reality that is truely STRAIGHT.

        YET, we creatures came up with such an unnatural thing as a straight line. Straight lines are a uniquely human hallucination. Its the logic we use to make sense of the world, but its a Rorschach test of our own making. You are attaching meaning to it because thats what our brains do. generate meaning out of chaos.

        I need to look no further than pi, which is a number that represents our feeble attempts to push the round universe into our square heads. Its trying to represent the curved universe as a straight line (and visavers) - and reality said : LOL, NOPE!! YOU get a number that is more illusive than the irrationals. A never ending non patterned number.

        All of nature is not based on mathematics. Mathematics is the language we use to describe nature. Thats like saying the Grand Canyon is BASED on book describing the Grand Canyon.

        1.) No its not. Its our language, not nature’s.

        2.) To a degree, yes. But thats because our brains are pattern seeking and pattern generating machines - not because nature follows a system WE made up.

        3.) Did I mention Pi yet

        Here

        https://i.imgur.com/a5ueCi5.jpg

        THIS is a graph of a discovery that I made in number theory. Does it look like it has a pattern to you? I think this is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen, because IT MAKES NO SENSE. which means, we still have a lot to discover and learn

      • Pitri@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        mathematics is a human language/system.

        nature just follows the laws and quirks this universe has. the plants, animals and subatomic particles will keep doing the same, regardless if we have a tool or theory that can describe what they’re doing.

        sure, there are patterns everywhere in nature, but i would not go as far as to say that that makes mathematics a language of nature.

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    This reminds me of a comment, I read a long time ago.

    It was something like this: “I played The Sims, and everything was business as usual, my Sims went to University, and got a degree in Computer Science until they proved they live in a simulation. I stopped playing Sims for that night.”

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      Also explains why the world is so fucked up and how fascism can take. Also explains why there so many assholes in the world. Most people at some point play evil when they played Sims. Weather it was the simple version and you cause tornadoes to tear through your city. Our the more modern versions. I seen clips were players would lock a character in a doorless room. Or take away the ladder in the pool and the character would drown.

      There other examples but it maybe why Trump is so popular in America and why so many people that actually want the world to burn and enjoy fucking up the environment.

      Some things I think about occasionally. So should you.

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        Nah I don’t think so. What people do in a simulation can approximate what they’d do in real life with no consequences but in real life there are always consequences. And most people need to see themselves as the hero in their own story so they won’t do things that they perceive as evil.

        It seems to me that most individual people think they are right in whatever they’re doing. Including voting for Trump, being hateful, etc.