Context: For the second time in a row, upgrading the Kernel resulted in a black screen at boot for me.
See also: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=455598
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After a fiasco with my 72 year old father in law’s laptop, I no longer recommend Linux Mint to people. On a fairly new Asus, multiple attempts at installing were needed to get it running, and he had constant issues that pushed him away from it. Installed Ubuntu for him, no issues over the past year. Sure it has snaps. He doesn’t know the difference and everything seems to be working fine. The goal is no IT support calls from the old man and Ubuntu achieved it.
Fedora would have achieved the same goal.
Fedora stability is chef’s kiss
I’ve ran Fedora on and off for years, by my measure, it’s not old man proof.
I’d say it’s no more or less than Ubuntu. An immutable flavor like Silverblue or Bazzite would be more resistant to the technologically challenged, which is why I always recommend one of those to new Linux users first.
As a certified Old Mantm running Fedora Kinonite 43, it’s very Old Mantm proof.
Now Grandma on the other hand… I swear she can cause even an iPad to burst into flames at a mere glance.
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I get so frustrated hearing this take over and over again.
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
This is the process for installing the DKMS Nvidia GPU drivers on Debian.
The process to install said drivers on Ubuntu, Pop, Mint, etc, is literally clicking an icon.
Yes, following the manual is easy for you, and easy for me. It’s not easy for the tech illiterate elders in our lives. And it’s not easy for me to drop in weekly to solve their problems either.
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I’m not recommending Nvidia. I’m making a point by giving an example of the procedure for installing drivers for the most common GPU (by a wide margin, amd and intel market share accounts for single digit market share) being far more difficult on Debian than other distributions that are more beginner friendly.
Did you even bother to read the thread?
Some people have test environments that aren’t their prod environment.
Others stick with a distro that has better validation and/or long-term support.
Please don’t blame the kernel devs.
Please don’t blame the kernel devs.
Agreed… almost certainly not a kernel issue. Linus is famous for absolutely losing his shit if a kernel breaks userspace
Totally understandable crushout
If something breaks when I update the kernel and that same thing works again if I downgrade the kernel, what explanation should I seek other than that the kernel broke something?
Notice I’m on Linux Mint, so I’m not using the original kernel but a modified version.
I know it’s an LTS version, but 5.15 is not exactly a new kernel release. It’s EOL next year. I’ve been on the 6 series kernel since switching from Windows, and have yet to have anything break on update.
Edit: also, that kernel release is less than a year after the 6800 xt was released. I’d imagine that newer kernels would have a whole bunch of bug fixes.
I tried multiple distros over the last year to find a good one to recommend to someone I know. My experience with mint was a mediocre startup followed by mediocre use for a few days, followed by a boot failure. Very disappointing from a distro I frequently hear recommended as a newbie-friendly option.
yeah when I first switched to Linux everyone suggested Mint to me, like they always do, so I tried that. It was miserable, didn’t work well with my Nvidia GPU, and almost made me go back to Windows. then someone suggested CachyOS to me and I’m glad they did.
When you’re done with CachyOS I recommend OpenSUSE Tumbleweed - just as someone recommended me once after I was done with CachyOS :)
OpenSUSE TW gang rise up. I also got this black screen issue OP talked about but snapper rollback solved that (for now).
I’m gonna wait a bit to update then, sounds like that might be wise
Oh I’ve been done with Cachy for awhile, I switched to NixOS. I just like having everything there in front of me plus using comma to run stuff without installing it is awesome.
CachyOS is the best Linux experience I’ve ever had. I used to use Mint too but it had problems with my new hardware. I was hesitant because people always say Arch distros are hard to learn but what I don’t see mentioned is how much better they actually run. I’ve had zero problems so far, and that’s more than I can say for Windows 11 lol.
I dont know, I run every new kernel since im on arch… Havent noticed anything.
“Btw, I have Arch…”
Sorry I’m not an expert in desies
I only mentioned it since rolling releases get all the kernels as daily updates. If you run something like mint, you just get a kernel that has been selected as stable by the distro.
At least I think so. I havent run mint but my Ubuntu installations tend to stick to a kernel and only update sometimes.
We good 👍🏻 I saw opportunity and I used it 🙃
There was a notice during the update that something might break though
Haven’t had an issue with Fedora and nVidia in years either.
Debian: If it’s not natively support and stable we’ll make it supported and stable, no matter the cost.
Exactly why I run LMDE and not LM.
It just takes an eon or two for them to get to the stable branch.
My mint install doesn’t even let me use that old of a kernel version, I can only choose from 6.8, 6.11 and 6.14.
I’m using the 21.3 LTS release. That may be why I have more kernel options.
Since in my experience something always breaks when upgrading any Linux OS, I’ve come to try to avoid that.
21.3? Why not upgrade to the latest?
Because whenever I’ve upgraded any Linux OS in the last 10 years, something broke. Always. That’s why I’m riding this LTS until it dies.
Can’t say I had the same experience, but staying on an outdated version is going to make you run into problems as the one you just experienced.
Well that’s something to keep an eye on.
That said, I’m on LMDE6 which is firmly stuck on the 6.1 LTS kernel branch, so I might not see any problems until I upgrade to LMDE7 and get 6.12 (or go nuts and install something else entirely).
I recently updated my LMDE 6 install to 7, no issues thus far for me.
I seem to remember having little to no trouble with the 5 to 6 transition on my old system, so I’m inclined to believe that.
I just need to get my head - and backups - in order for the day I decide go ahead with 6 to 7, just in case it doesn’t go smoothly.
I get kernel panic when I try to use 6.14 in Mint. 6.11 is fine, though that seems to be deprecated.
22.2 fixed a lot of minor problems I had on 22.1, even on the same kernel. 6.14 would reliability freeze my desktop environment within an hour on 22.1 but it’s been solid since is on-place upgraded to 22.2
I’m on 22.2. i guess I should just go back to 6.8.
Kernel panic.
minor problems
Hmmmm…
The mouse and keyboard still worked but I couldn’t change window focus. I could ctl+alt+f2 and restart cinnamon. dmesg was empty. I think it was a panel applet but didn’t put much effort into finding the real problem
Oh, it’s about mint. Never mind.
That issue was also a problem with SuSE back then. That’s why I left them.
Wow, and it’s not even nvidia.
I hope u get the stable experience as me.
So build your own. ;)
