• themeatbridge@lemmy.world
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    Wasn’t this like the sort-of theme of the third trilogy? The Jedi tried to eschew attachments to prevent strong emotions like anger, jealousy, fear, and hatred. But Luke realizes that the Jedi were wrong. Being connected to other people is what the Force is all about.

    At least, I think that’s what they were going for when the franchise sat on its own collective balls.

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    1 year ago

    The Jedi are so needlessly neglectful towards Anakin in their attempt to try to teach him to be emotionally detached, and then they wonder why he became loyal to the only guy who would actually listen to him (even if it was just to use him).


    The Jedi: Emotionally neglect Anakin for years

    Anakin turns on them

    The Jedi:

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      1 year ago

      That is why Anikin was too old to be trained as a Jedi. Not because he was too old to learn how to fight, but because he was too old to be brainwashed to be a warrior monk. He had ties to the outside world. If they had started his training at birth, he would have no worldly ties to hold him back.

      And before anyone calls me out on it, I have not consumed any Star Wars media other than the first 6 movies. I am well aware that I am pulling lore out of my butt.

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        1 year ago

        Too old doesn’t make sense when you consider that Luke started later and had none of the same issues.

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          Although Yoda made the same point with him.

          Further, one could argue that he did have those same exact issues, despite an almost “best” case scenario at the time Yoda brought it up, as it relates to this issue: the only family he knew was killed on the farm, his best friend from his past life was killed in the Death Star battle, his mentor and teacher was killed escaping from the death star, and he had no idea who his father really was or that his sister even existed.

          The only major attachments he’d formed that could still be used against him and his training were those he’d made to his friends, and to a lesser extent, his cause.

          And what happened?

          As soon as his powers were trained to the point that he could reach out with his feelings and sense (and be sensed) across the wider galaxy, literally as soon as he gets to that level, the Sith use it as a weapon, and manipulate him using his few attachments, lure him away from his training and out of hiding and indeed directly to Vader, who then puts another barb of attachment into him by revealing his ancestry.

          Had Vader not had the dual “failure” of both trying to recruit his son against the emperor and then later turning on the emperor (and of course, Palpatine’s arrogance in underestimating both Luke’s resolve and Vader’s attachment), the plan would have absolutely worked, dooming the Jedi and the Alliance in one fell swoop.

          Like…not only is Luke not a great case for “age doesn’t matter”, he’s very nearly the poster child for why it does.

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            1 year ago

            I disagree but your comment shows me that I don’t actually give a shit enough to debate it

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                1 year ago

                Because I believe I’m right and that it adds something to the discussion but if someone is passionate enough to write a 5 paragraph rant on why they think I’m wrong it’s definitely not worth my time to argue with them.