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    16 hours ago

    Exactly. Woke is just a symptom not the reason. It’s hard to see a beloved series go bad but people should learn to move on if the game is bad. Just buy the game when it’s good and the problem is solved.

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        9 hours ago

        That’s what I think as well. If it requires, just put 18+ inscription and let people decide for themselves, which I believe Veilguard already has that rating.

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      Woke is not a symptom. What people usually complain about with “woke” is more choices for the player to personalize their experience. Body type 1 or 2 instead of male female? Woke. Different skincolors? Woke. Woman in charge? Woke.

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        That’s not wise to complain about more choices though. Unless there is a forced agenda, that I can understand.

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          It isn’t. More options doesn’t affect anyone but somehow it is an issue to snowflakes.

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      “woke” is now just a dog whistle that tells you the person saying it is a bigoted shithead.

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        Aye, it has become another dogwhistle of the weirdo alt right crowd. It’s kinda helpful because whenever you see someone use it unironically, you can just safely block/ban them at no loss of conversation.

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      Not sure I’d consider things like the ability to make your character trans a symptom of anything other than the game being made in the 21st century.

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        I think it’s a symptom because the creators using it to hide their bad games, and the idiots think the game is bad because it’s woke. If the game is already bad, it’s bad. Dragon Age games were always diverse and Dragon Age Origins was epitome of its genre. No one is talking about it being woke.

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          because the creators using it to hide their bad games

          How does this work in particular? The hiding bit? Doesn’t it actually draw attention, considering how many people then spam “OMG SO WOKE!11!!angry-1!!” and so on threads everywhere?

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            They indeed draw attention. It’s basically there is no good or bad advertising from their point. However, this is a fantasy world and people would like to see psychically appealing characters, especially the playable ones. I believe this is the root issue.

            When they have no good material, they start to promote unrelated things to gameplay. This is just one of those things.

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              When they have no good material, they start to promote unrelated things to gameplay. This is just one of those things.

              Didn’t YOU just say that people focus on the visuals of characters? As in, something unrelated to gameplay?

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                Visuals are part of the experience, it’s not unrelated. Gameplay is the core, you only have make up without it. If the game turn out to be good, most of these will be forgotten. There are a lot of good games that can be considered as “woke” and no one talk about them like this. Because they are good games.

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                  Visuals are part of the experience, it’s not unrelated.

                  Why? Or rather, why this, but apparently not your character or their back story?

                  There are a lot of good games that can be considered as “woke” and no one talk about them like this.

                  [citation needed]

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                    On broader range everything in the game is part of the experience. However there is a significance order to that. Core gameplay loop comes first, every person who plays the game experience this. Back story is lore. To me lore is also important and a very enjoyable part of the games, but some people are not interested in this and they tend to skip these parts. If they are optional (like reading books in Skyrim or reading pamphlets in Shadowrun etc.) they don’t even bother with them.

                    Citation: Cyberpunk 2077, Baldur’s Gate 3, I can even put Stardew Valley in this list, though not as vocal as others. I didn’t see anyone bash these games as being woke, or maybe they are a minority if there are.