• RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    Of that 96% starvation and disease killed many/most. The USA absolutely waged genocidal campaigns against the various tribes but that 3.6 million includes other deaths as well.

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          my point is it is completely fair to say white America killed the vast majority of the natives

          whitewashingly pedantic to blame the gun and not the man pulling the trigger

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      Active or not, the Europeans and then the Americans caused the collapse of their civilization.

      Imo all deaths are related.

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        Many weren’t intentional though. There was diseases spread initially by livestock that killed many of that 3.6 million.

        Yes, there absolutely were intentional campaigns of genocide but a lot of natives just caught the flu and had zero defense to it. Nobody intentionally gave them the flu because many of these people never saw Europeans.

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          smallpox being one, there is evidence smallpox originated from horses, which were abundant in europe, horses had thier own pox virus.(and going back further it came from an unknown rodent host.

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          I guess my sticking point is, does it matter if it was intentional? Contact with Europe destroyed them from both accidents and outright malice. It was still genocide even if it was on accident, imo.

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            Yes, because at the time we didn’t understand germ theory. The livestock the spanish brought over introduced these diseases to other people via other animals.

            If you supermegavirus X to your pet rat which lives in your house and who then gives it to a bird who then gives it to a different bird and eventually kills me are you responsible for my death? No you are not and that is how many/most died. They had zero contact with Europeans.

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      And who do we think caused them to die of starvation and sickness without access to the lands they could hunt or doctors.

      And then there’s the whole gifting then smallpox blankets thing