• BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf
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    11 months ago

    No, that’s the dominant narrative in the US, but the data, even the US government then-contemporary data, doesn’t support that narrative in the slightest.

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      11 months ago

      Any sources for that? I’ve never seen anything that indicated that Japan was going to surrender, just philosophizing about if it was justified to drop the bombs.

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        11 months ago

        https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-05/hiroshima-bombing-did-not-lead-japanese-surrender-anniversary/6672616

        Here’s a few

        https://libcom.org/article/1945-us-responses-atomic-bombing-hiroshima-and-nagasaki

        “Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.”

        • U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey’s 1946 Study

        “It always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse.”

        • General Henry H. “Hap” Arnold Commanding General of the U.S. Army Air Forces Under President Truman

        “Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is the that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it.”

        • J. Samuel Walker Chief Historian U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
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          11 months ago

          Just some speculation and philosophizing, like I said. It’s not even a consensus with historians.

          Thanks for offering some links at least, though.

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            11 months ago

            Personally, hearing that the actual generals that took part in that theater did not think it was necessary and that victory was assured as soon as a blockade was possible. That’s enough for me to believe the bombs being dropped were for other reasons other than for a surrender. Like a show of strength to the rest of the world. But that’s my own conclusion. It’s always important to hold some skepticism and seek out more sources imo