The original artist of this is AdiFitri
I feel that the original quote “better a pig than a fascist” is more relevant and important these days than this take
Someone at studio Ghibli recently said something about gen ai, apparently. But yeah agreed.
Edit: I’ve come out from under my rock and news has reached my as to why this quote is relevant again. The original quote seems more fitting over the ai one now.
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Miyazaki, co-founder and chairman of Ghibli Studio
I thought he came out against it years ago, didn’t know he said anything recent. Although it makes sense he wouldn’t stop talking about it these days especially.
nah, people are talking about what he said years ago. He didn’t say anything recently (or at least, not that I know of)
There’s a point I’ve heard that the kind of slop that gen AI can be used for is good for fascists, because they’re not trying to say anything or make it cohesive, they just want a glut of vague sentiments they’re agreeable to, and gen AI can give them that without having to deal with pesky artists who have thoughts of their own like, “what you want is bad, actually,” “maybe fuck you,” and “I will stab you in the eye with my pencil.”
I still stand by Generative AI being a useful tool. It’s just in the hands of big unilateral corporate tech rather than a public state, and artists depend on IP laws to gain profits to live, rather than being supported by a robust welfare state to provide art for a robust public domain.
Related, the post-WWII programs in England that fueled the Rock-&-Roll boom in the 1960s (with the invention and development of the electric guitar). Socialized art is a system that works well!
And yes, we’ll probably have to collapse the current civilization and rebuild it with mutant animals before we get there. < sad, disappointed existential dread face >
It’s just in the hands of big unilateral corporate tech rather than a public state, and artists depend on IP laws to gain profits to live, rather than being supported by a robust welfare state to provide art for a robust public domain.
The second situation is a fantasy until after we have a communist revolution. So, don’t defend gen AI until after we create communism.
The second situation is a fantasy until after we have a communist revolution.
Only because it was taken from the public by Disney, since the courts ceased recognizing the public as stakeholders.
But the Constitutional function of copyright is to create a robust public domain. As that is no longer the function of copyright, we can abolish it. And the only thing that is keeping us from abolishing it is the same obstacles keeping us from abolishing autocracy.
So revolution that bridges the way to socialized art may be more necessary in the immediate future than it appears (whether or not it’s easy).
I agree, I think generative AI is insanely cool technology (and if a new local one comes out I’ll probably play with it for a bit) but I can’t see image generation at least ever being a net positive for humanity until we get some sort of welfare state.
Currently the negative effects are mitigated by it being relatively easy to tell ai images apart from real images, and since ai images take almost no effort to make, they have naturally become an instant sign marking low effort content wherever they are used. When people stop being able to tell ai images apart is when it will start to become a problem.
Great post, drew out a couple of the most annoying kind of person on the internet so I could block them.
I prefer to tag them myself. Let’s be know their opinion is less than worthless and i can still dislike their stuff if i run across it in the wild.
Just remember: a medical doctors opinion on why your car broke down is less valuable than a mechanics opinion.
Can anyone explain the context? Nad something happened recently?
Chatgpt got really good at generating images and a lot of more people are testing it and some people are salty about it.
No, some asshole generated a fake cease and desist letter from Ghibli to try to start some drama.
Even tried to act like some kind of genAI martyr ready to sacrifice himself for the good of AI…
First time I hear about that, meanwhile even my wife that is normiecore saw guides on how to use chatgpt to generate images on Instagram and asked me to install chatgpt in her phone.
What the fuck is normiecore?
And your wife isn’t creating anything using ChatGPT. It’s hallucinating with no actual intelligence or creativity that’s trained off actual creative works. If your wife wants to create art, then she needs to pick a medium and get practicing.
It’s like hardcore except not that, and also vaguely insulting towards their wife (or at least I’ve never seen anyone write the word “normie” without it being patronizing).
The precipitating factor seems to Ghibli where some dude who draws for a living said ai drawing lacked soul, more or less. Then a bunch of people who very likely pirated the first guy’s movies leapt to his defense saying yeah only humans can make art because we are unique in our ability to duplicate information from our environment but with imagined changes. If an ai takes data from it’s environment, duplicates it and adapts it to it’s current need that’s stealing good solid union work.
Or something.
Soon it’s going to be an economic thing because if you can get “good enough” at 1/1000 the price after an up front fee…all those folks who do generic voice work (soldier #3) or art work in games are gonna be out of a job. Sadly it’s not enough of an industry to impact the broader economy so they will just be completely boned until automation finds a way to get rid of a much more significant fraction of the labor force. If we can get to great depression levels that might be enough.
Don’t think he drew for a living but drew for a fortune 🤣
I feel like all the people out there are mindless NPCs that just do anything a big corp say it’s cool. make me feel helpless
As someone who uses generative AI, I don’t use it out of some mindless obedience to corporations, but rather because it can massively reduce the work needed to perform certain tasks.
I think the fight against AI is a losing battle. Better to push for regulations in energy usage. (And no, I don’t give a fuck about artists’ intellectual property. I think intellectual property rights are holding humanity back in order to enrich a few artists who falsely and arrogantly believe themselves to be original thinkers, and who furthermore believe that being an original thinker gives them the right to prevent other people from spreading their ideas or thinking of the same thing.)
So, you think the need of artist to eat is a problem?
I mean, if anything an artist do it’s worlds patrimony then they will me above the rules of capitalism and don’t need to use money for food and tools, right?
I mean that will be the best solution, the artist will be able to do art and not content just to gain some bucks.
But no, the solution its a machine that generate content and take out the only weapon the artist have to being able to survive in this economy.
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Gen. A.I. user and absolutely unashamed for it O7
Pick it up yourself
They aren’t the one pretending to create art
Exactly. That’s the problem. You should be.
No.
Artists who oppose AI shouldn’t be allowed to use calculators.
They don’t get to shit on anyone bad at art, while they can’t do basic math without technological help.
Calculators don’t need heaps of power to run. Calculators are not trained on the copyrighted works of artists. And that’s only the start of the issues with your argument.
What a shit take.
Perfect analogy for someone who knows nothing about art or math
Explain it to me, oh wise one.
Bruh just because you don’t like one technology doesn’t mean you don’t have to stop using another. Like not all programmers have to like OOP languages and they are still allowed to use whatever they like
People can do math without calculators; holy stupid.
Everyone can do complex math by hand?
Yes? If they learn shit. Same goes for AI artist they can create art if they practice enough by their own human hand.
K. Maybe most people are not good at everything, and technology can help them bridge the gap in their skills.
I understand this has you very upset. Hopefully you can learn to live with people being able to express ideas without skill someday.
lol how much complex math are people using day to day? You know what functions are on a basic calculator right?
Once again, stupid.
Are scientific calculators not a thing now? Are computers no longer performing complex calculations?
The term “computers” used to refer to people who performed calculations all day. The machines do the job so well now, most people don’t even know it used to refer to a human profession.
The problem isn’t machines replicating human skill sets. It’s that those machines are controlled by capitalists.
