That thread was your justification for using AI to make artwork, I don’t disagree overall. I just don’t think AI generated propaganda is effective for this sort of thing. Maybe to articulate some basic idea you could get away with it, but as artistic propaganda such as this, it just comes across as bland, like most A.I generated content that the average person has to contend with while using the modern internet. We should try and stand out from the content churn, not try and blend in with it.
I mean this is just a meme, and for me it’s no less amusing than if it was made by a human. It’s a throw away content, and I think AI is a perfect fit for this sort of stuff. Everything doesn’t need to be high art. Somebody had a funny concept, they ran it through a model and got a result that’s worth a chuckle. I can’t see how it would be improved in any way if a human spent time drawing it to be honest. Whether something slop isn’t how it’s produced, but rather if it has any actual meaning it conveys. I’d argue that every single piece of advertisement produced by a human qualifies as slop far more than this does because the sole intent of an ad is to make you consume.
I guess the best way to explain would be the concept and distinction between a regular “shitpost” and a “High quality shitpost”. It is not solely about the final product, what adds to the charm of a human being creating a highly convincing, detailed artistic rendition of Samuel L Jackson as Vladimir Lenin, is the very knowledge that someone was willing to sit there and devote hours, perhaps days, and even money, art supplies and energy to painstakingly produce something that is merely meant to be a joke to illicit amusement among a niche online community.
When instead you see these images and know that it’s the result of running prompts through an image generator until it produces a handful of passable results, and the most amount of human effort involved is likely spent in just curating the best results, this element of “damn, they actually did all this for a meaningless meme” no longer applies, and the charm is definitely diminished.
I hope I’m putting this across in a way that makes sense.
As opposed to pretty much every meme out there where you just type some text in the template? I’ve never seen a single person make this sort of critique of regular memes. But apparently if AI is used to make a meme now we have to have this discussion of how much sweat and blood was put into it.
You’re choosing to misinterpret what I said entirely, I did not say that every human made meme is high effort.
But for a human artist to make an equivalent piece of artwork to what you’ve produced with A.I here, that takes a lot more time and effort, which by itself makes it funnier due to the absurd and amusing meta narrative of someone painstakingly recreating Samuel L Jackson’s image by hand just for a joke.
And I can tell you with certainty that when people make memes that obviously have more effort put into them, it does go noticed and it does add to the humor. Humor is subjective, sure, but there is a reason why “High quality Shitpost” as a term exists. Don’t act like this is only something new being used to stigmatize A.I.
I know I can’t convince you, but I do hope you at least ponder over the idea.
What I actually said was that nobody has ever complained that memes take little effort to make, so I don’t understand your argument regarding AI generated memes given that. Are you complaining that the AI produced meme looks too good for the amount of effort that went into it, what is exactly the problem here?
I genuinely don’t understand the point you’re making beyond the fact that you appear to think that something has to be hard to make in order to look good, and if it was easy to make that cheapens it in some way.
To each their own of course. I found it funny myself, and then seeing that theres like 5 more that look the same just conjured up the content mill flashbacks in my head and soured the mood altogether.
Have yet to hear any counterpoint to the arguments I’ve made. https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7695933/6286708
That thread was your justification for using AI to make artwork, I don’t disagree overall. I just don’t think AI generated propaganda is effective for this sort of thing. Maybe to articulate some basic idea you could get away with it, but as artistic propaganda such as this, it just comes across as bland, like most A.I generated content that the average person has to contend with while using the modern internet. We should try and stand out from the content churn, not try and blend in with it.
I mean this is just a meme, and for me it’s no less amusing than if it was made by a human. It’s a throw away content, and I think AI is a perfect fit for this sort of stuff. Everything doesn’t need to be high art. Somebody had a funny concept, they ran it through a model and got a result that’s worth a chuckle. I can’t see how it would be improved in any way if a human spent time drawing it to be honest. Whether something slop isn’t how it’s produced, but rather if it has any actual meaning it conveys. I’d argue that every single piece of advertisement produced by a human qualifies as slop far more than this does because the sole intent of an ad is to make you consume.
I guess the best way to explain would be the concept and distinction between a regular “shitpost” and a “High quality shitpost”. It is not solely about the final product, what adds to the charm of a human being creating a highly convincing, detailed artistic rendition of Samuel L Jackson as Vladimir Lenin, is the very knowledge that someone was willing to sit there and devote hours, perhaps days, and even money, art supplies and energy to painstakingly produce something that is merely meant to be a joke to illicit amusement among a niche online community.
When instead you see these images and know that it’s the result of running prompts through an image generator until it produces a handful of passable results, and the most amount of human effort involved is likely spent in just curating the best results, this element of “damn, they actually did all this for a meaningless meme” no longer applies, and the charm is definitely diminished.
I hope I’m putting this across in a way that makes sense.
As opposed to pretty much every meme out there where you just type some text in the template? I’ve never seen a single person make this sort of critique of regular memes. But apparently if AI is used to make a meme now we have to have this discussion of how much sweat and blood was put into it.
You’re choosing to misinterpret what I said entirely, I did not say that every human made meme is high effort.
But for a human artist to make an equivalent piece of artwork to what you’ve produced with A.I here, that takes a lot more time and effort, which by itself makes it funnier due to the absurd and amusing meta narrative of someone painstakingly recreating Samuel L Jackson’s image by hand just for a joke.
And I can tell you with certainty that when people make memes that obviously have more effort put into them, it does go noticed and it does add to the humor. Humor is subjective, sure, but there is a reason why “High quality Shitpost” as a term exists. Don’t act like this is only something new being used to stigmatize A.I.
I know I can’t convince you, but I do hope you at least ponder over the idea.
What I actually said was that nobody has ever complained that memes take little effort to make, so I don’t understand your argument regarding AI generated memes given that. Are you complaining that the AI produced meme looks too good for the amount of effort that went into it, what is exactly the problem here?
I genuinely don’t understand the point you’re making beyond the fact that you appear to think that something has to be hard to make in order to look good, and if it was easy to make that cheapens it in some way.
It’s good for a laugh, these Samuel/Lenins.
To each their own of course. I found it funny myself, and then seeing that theres like 5 more that look the same just conjured up the content mill flashbacks in my head and soured the mood altogether.
Yeah, for real. You are right, one would have been enough.
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