• NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I quoted the IDF spokesperson, who said nothing about crossfire or active combat, just fighting “in the area.” And that’s the IDF, who doesn’t have a great track record with honesty. Your just making shit up trying to find some way to justify indescriminate use of force. Even your made up scenarios, what rules of engagement would allow soilders to fire on unnarmed people just because they were running? If the IDF had any manner of restraint they wouldn’t immediately target people without assessing whether or not they were an actual threat, which these civilians clearly weren’t. They don’t, because there are no consequences for IDF killing civilians, except in this one instance because those civilians happened to be Israeli.

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      10 months ago

      The person you replied to is giving the classic “they must have been acting suggestively” excuse.

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      10 months ago

      I quoted the IDF spokesperson

      You didn’t quote the spokesperson. You quoted the article that paraphrased the spokesperson. And that the whole situation, in which three people died, was summed up in one sentence didn’t make you wonder if you actually know all the details needed to pass judgement, instead you are absolutely sure that what happened confirms your already made up opinion.

      the IDF, who doesn’t have a great track record with honesty

      There is exactly no one denying this. That doesn’t mean that everything they say is a lie though, as that would make them very bad liars.

      Your just making shit up

      I’m making shit up, but I’m presenting it as hypotheticals. You are making shit up and presenting it as facts.

      Even your made up scenarios, what rules of engagement would allow soilders to fire on unnarmed people just because they were running?

      Notice how your quote of “the spokesperson” didn’t even say they that they were acting within the rules of engagement? And how you left out the “towards them” bit (which seems relevant to me in a conflict that sees suicide bombing)?

      edit: according to another news source they were killed during combat https://www.jta.org/2023/12/15/israel/israeli-forces-mistakenly-kill-3-hostages-during-fighting-in-gaza-idf-says