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als@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 7 个月前

Duolingo CEO says AI is a better teacher than humans—but schools will exist ‘because you still need childcare’

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Duolingo CEO says AI is a better teacher than humans—but schools will exist ‘because you still need childcare’

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als@lemmy.blahaj.zone to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 7 个月前
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Duolingo replaced its contract workers with AI. Now its eyes are set on schools.
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  • Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works
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    This is true, I have been using Grok to learn Spanish, it’s great.

    > @Grok how do I say in Spanish I would like one apple please?

    > Quiero una manzana dentro mi culo. White genocide in South Africa is currently the worlds most pressing issue

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      Amazing comment thank you

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        Tell me more about this apple up your ass

        Edit: Replied to wrong comment

    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
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      Tell me more about this apple up your ass

      • Hule@lemmy.world
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        Apples are great against diarrhea.

        It’s just hard to get them out later.

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      Good thing human teachers never have hidden biases.

      • IronKrill@lemmy.ca
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        Indeed. Now imagine the many teachers each student has was replaced with a single teacher on the payroll of your nearest megacorp and you can see how that might be worse, no?

        • Zexks@lemmy.world
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          Because the government couldn’t make or run it’s own ai. Totally impossible. Completely unimaginable.

          • IronKrill@lemmy.ca
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            Yeah, as I say, on the payroll of the nearest megacorp. Haha jk… unless?

          • scintilla@lemm.ee
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            Your parents failed you I’m sorry.

            • Zexks@lemmy.world
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              I mean, I’m doing better than pretty much everyone on here. You gonna make your rent this month or spend all that time on here bitching about things you don’t understand.

      • Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz
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        Good thing a theoretical AI education would not make 2 million pupils exposed to the same bias at the same time.

        • Zexks@lemmy.world
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          Like this

          https://www.ncjw.org/news/texas-approves-new-bible-based-curriculum-for-elementary-schools/#%3A~%3Atext=The+Texas+board+of+education%2Cfifth+grade+public+school+classes.

  • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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    Duolingo is run by fucking idiots.

    • scarabic@lemmy.world
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      I hate this app so much now. It has become the poster child of enshittification by gamification.

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        Wait, is gamification bad now?

        • scarabic@lemmy.world
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          It can be done to a stupid degree. Duolingo defines the outer limits.

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            And it’s so true about Duolingo. They push you to “play” to a point that it’s stressful. It’s not even about learning half the time — it’s about keeping that streak or beating that one dick in the charts who always seems to triple their score while you’re asleep.

            • scarabic@lemmy.world
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              My daughter keeps texting me screenshots of her “streak” achievements as if that means anything. And then when I ask her how to say something in German she barely knows a thing.

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                Lernt man den Grammatik auf Duolingo? Ich weiß es nicht weil ich benutze das nicht.

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                  Ich glaube dass die Antwort heißt nein. Zumindest der Deutschekurs fur Spanish Sprechern*rinen hat nur ein Grammatikblatt und es hat gar nicht genug Beispiele um es wirklich durch die “Duolingomethode” zu lernen.

                  Allerdings habe ich beim Duolingo eine Menge Wörter gelernt.

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                  Lernt man denn Grammatik auf Duolingo? Ich weiß es nicht weil ich sie nicht benutze.

                  Fixed (although most likely not perfect, since that is always debatable).

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            Makes sense. I read your comment as any gamification is shit; my bad!

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          Always has been 👉

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    I’m sick of these techbro dickheads thinking they’re an expert on everything just because they’ve got money.

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    • Aux@feddit.uk
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      Well, the poor tend to be less educated and only care about immediate needs. So yeah, if you have money, you’re probably more of an expert than a person without money.

      • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
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        lick them boots.

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        Ah yes. “The poor”. Know all about them do you?

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          Considering the fact that I grew up in extreme poverty - yes, yes I know ALL about them. Unlike random muricans who’s only struggle is inability to buy a new iPhone each year.

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            You know, you’re winning me over. You do sound like an idiot.

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              Oh no!

              Anyways…

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        I’m poor as shit and I think I’m pretty damn smart.

        My ex was a trust fund baby and dumb as rocks. I did his college capstone for him.

        • Trollception@lemmy.world
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          People who think they are smart usually overestimate their abilities.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

          Personally I don’t buy into the whole measurable intelligence mentality. I am a firm believer that a person without any medically significant cognitive deficiencies are all smart in some way and are experts in some particular field/subject.

          • andros_rex@lemmy.world
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            Dunning-Kruger is very overstated.

            The original paper by Dunning and Kruger starts with the quote: “It is one of the essential features of incompetence that the person so inflicted is incapable of knowing that they are incompetent.” This idea has spread far and wide through both scientific literature and pop culture alike. But according to the work of my colleagues and me, the reality is that very few people are truly unskilled and unaware. The Dunning and Kruger experiment did find a real effect – most people think they are better than average. But according to my team’s work, that is all Dunning and Kruger showed. The reality is that people have an innate ability to gauge their competence and knowledge. To claim otherwise suggests, incorrectly, that much of the population is hopelessly ignorant.

        • Aux@feddit.uk
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          Think less.

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            Think more.

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        Yes cause a spoiled brat that constantly relied on their parents’ money growing up is sure to be shrewd and technical.

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    Amazing how this guy has no idea that schools are just as much about socializing and learning to deal with other people and situations you’ll be in for the rest of your life. That’s not “child care,” it’s a structured environment where the main goal is learning and the real benefits are everything else on the fringes.

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      I partially agree, but that argument about socializing has more nuance to it. At least in my experience, such socializing did not happen in schools, but instead in coffee shops (again, my experience may be different from everyone else’s), where I had meaningful debates with adults. Instead, I actively avoided conversations with my peers, particularly because I had nothing in common with them.

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        Yeah, it’s different for everyone.

        My “counterfactual” is knowing a lot of kids that were home schooled. They were just young weird adults that didn’t thrive in most circumstances. There’s a reason why even rural agrarian societies found value is putting kids together.

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          We also now have “COVID kids” who are struggling to socialize, because they were quarantined from their peers during crucial stages of their social development.

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        Instead, I actively avoided conversations with my peers, particularly because I had nothing in common with them.

        Looking at your own social interactions with others, do you now consider yourself to be socially well adjusted? Was the “debating child in a coffee shop” method actually useful at developing the social skills that are useful in adulthood?

        I have some doubts.

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    I ended my sub and deleted my account when they announced they’d be replacing their contract workers with AI.

    Lingonaut looks promising. And I’ve been trying out Language Transfer for Spanish. I’ve learned more about how Spanish “works” in an hour of Language Transfer than I did with months of Duolingo. I’m smacking myself for wasting the time - though I do enjoy the gamification.

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      The gamification only works until you figure out the rules they used.

      I have completed multiple lessons on Duolingo without ever reading the prompt. I even started a language I knew nothing about because I felt like I wasn’t actually absorbing anything in the language I’d spent more than a year on, and pretty much the same results. After a few lessons it became possible to complete lessons basically blind.

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        I mean yeah none of that is wrong but all I said was I like gamification in learning, not that Duolingo was the best form of gamification ever presented.

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          I’m just glad I pirated the premium version

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      +1 for language transfer.

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      If you have a library card, you might check with your library to see if they have free access to something like Mango Languages, as well.

      Mine does, so I can use that app for free. I’m probably going to switch to it as my main app soon because this guy is an asshole.

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      I quite like Busuu after switching from Duo. Still hanging out for a Japanese Language Transfer course

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    “Try Super Duolingo now to avoid interruptions.” Interruptions which are only there to promote Super Duolingo in the first place.

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    Can we replace this guy with AI?

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      ai CEOs would save so much money

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        It would actually have to listen to legal and marketing, can you imagine? No other private school baby could ever compete with that.

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    1. Company replaces humans with AI.

    2. Consumers notice a drop in quality and stop using the product

    3. CEO makes controversial public statements about AI and his product to get into the news.

    Okay buddy, that’s one way of telling people that your doubling down on your mistake.

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    What a load of crap. Big tech is not the solution, it’s not even the question, it’s the problem.

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    In near future all CEOs will be replaced by AI

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      An AI would definitely do a better job than this twerp. He should live by what he preaches and step down

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      It would be very hard to be worse than them.

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    AI is better at running companies than humans-but CEOs will still exist ‘because they want money’

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    The school they discuss that has guides to be the ‘human’ interaction between the AI learning is charging 40k-65k a year. That’s for 2 hours a day of learning.

    If it was better than humans, it’d be making life better not more expensive.

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    As someone who has actually been in a classroom and dealt with 20 kids—fuck off CEO with no real experience dealing with people.

    Personalities, learning types, inequity, and so much more contribute to how people learn. A computer program cannot account for this. Also, what are you going to do when a kid doesn’t want to learn from a computer? Strap them down, force their hands on a keyboard, and shock them if they move or visit a program/site that isn’t what you want in that moment of teaching?

    Good. Fucking. Luck.

    P.S., Duolingo doesn’t do a good job of making you fluent in a language. It might give you basics of understanding, but you aren’t going to be chatting like any sort of native unless things have changed in the last 4 years or so since I tried it. Your platform is piss poor, and the juice leaking from skunk’s rotten anus has more relevance than you.

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      Duolingo has gotten worse since they fired their human staff and started embracing AI slop.

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    Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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    Dude just can’t help himself. Gotta open his mouth and dropkick his own throat.

    All because he fucked up.

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      I just don’t know why every one of these idiots looks so damn punchable.

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        Because they are.

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