Its just an instance where tankies can exist in an echo chamber without having to critically think.
If you want you can read some of my comments here and watch these morons make fallacious argument after falacious argument, put words in my mouth, and project some person who makes similarly bad takes which exists inside their head onto me: https://lemmy.today/comment/17304484
Edit: there’s also this thread: https://lemmy.today/post/32415724/17304693
And as can be seen from the behaviour of all the .ml’ers in this thread, you really should block that instance as well. They are the same people, just using different accounts to spread their hateful fascist stupidity.
Got to cultivate that echo chamber
Communism isn’t fascism, and to conflate the two is a serious miscalculation. Communism/socialism are historically worker-centric systems and ideologies, while fascism is best described as capitalism, only when the bourgeoisie needs to employ violent and extreme measures to protect their ownership of private property. As a consequence, communist-led violence is violence against the minority of society, the oppressor capitalist class, while fascist-led violence is against the majority, the working class, as well as the marginalized in society.
I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds.
I’m pretty sure last time I read a thing you sent me and replied, you just told me to read more things.
I don’t really remember that, but reading is always good.
Not if you’re doing it purely for clout.
I guess, but I don’t see how that’s relevant. Who reads for “clout?”
Your whole profile is “I’m a leftist theory guru”. And then you don’t actually have anything to offer when engaged.
I have never said I’m a “leftist theory guru.” I do read a good deal of theory, but there are many here who have read a lot more than I have. I have read enough to know when I see something wrong, though, so I try to help correct it.
I have no idea what you mean by saying I “don’t have anything to offer when engaged.” Further, if you think I read what I read for clout on a tiny, fringe website, then that’s absurd. If I wanted clout for reading, I’d go to Twitter or Bluesky, or even YouTube, where the audience is far larger.
You’re right, it is absurd.
I don’t know you, but I’m guessing you can find a better use of your time.
I recommend you read up how communism actually worked, how oppressive of a regime it was and how many people died because of it. And yeah, communism is just as bad as fascism.
I have, actually, and I recommend you read up on how socialism actually works, including how it doubled the life expectancy of those in the USSR, tripled literacy rates to 99%, ended famine in countries where underdevelopment made famine common, brought free, universal healthcare, full free education, more vacation days and lower working hours, and more.
The PRC today is Socialist, and is responsible for the largest reduction in poverty in history, as well as some of the most rapid levels of economic development in history.
Communism is good, fascism is horrendous. Fascism was horrible for 99% of people, in countries like Germany there was industrialized mass murder, workers were kiloed en masse for organizing, and the rights of women and minorities were curbed. Socialism is good for the 99% and bad for the 1%. The Tsarists, capitalists, etc had their property confiscated and even were killed, while the 99% achieved great feats.
You definitely should Blackshirts and Reds. Further still, equating communism and fascism is a form of Naxi apologia, it originated with Double Genocide Theory which attempts to trivialize the holocaust and demonize socialism to make Nazism seem not as bad as it actually was.
Haha, I setup some stuff to keep look at the logging (as discussed a few days ago), and it’s funny how I can correlate this post with a small uptick in bots accessing the B&R page.
Oh wow! I always wondered if my comments actually get people to check out the pages and books I link, I’ve tried to focus more on explaining things in my own words unless a book or article is extremely relevant and quotes necessary (people sometimes saw my older style of quoting Marx, Lenin, Engels, etc as book worship, which is fair critique IMO).
That’s actually really interesting!
Yea, we’ll see in the future. Right now it was just bots, so I assume the post got federated to these websites and then they went out to get title, description, and opengraph stuff to show.
Ah, gotcha, that makes sense. Federation is interesting.
It’s funny that people are downvoting your completely unrelated non-political comments as well.
Sure you did read up on all the attrocities. But all I need to do is read an online article that will be a total 180 from what my grandparents, parents lived through, their struggles. Grandpa’s family will totally come back from Siberia and they will be 18 forever.
Dude, fuck you. You know nothing about communism. It is a scourge and you are part of the problem.
Did you read up on all the atrocities caused by capitalism? Have you looked into the US gulag system? Its literally a plot point in the Andor series.
“wHaTaBoUt”
Yes, whatabout.
Because you can’t dismiss one system unless you’ve resolved the parallel conflicts in the replacement.
I’ve read dozens of books, hundreds of articles, and continue to read. The overwhelming majority of those who lived in the USSR want it back, this is a well-known phenomenon. Over 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism in the USSR, prostitution, drug abuse, poverty, disparity, all skyrocketed while life expectancy plumeted thanks to the utter destruction of the economy and the elimination of social safety nets.
Well over 90% of Chinese citizens support their government, even from western survey. Socialism in China lifted 800 million people out of poverty, and is combatting climate change and regularly improving conditions for its people, without relying on imperialism like western countries do. This is charting a genuine alternative to the naked plundering of the west towards the global south.
I am not going to trust one person’s anecdotal experience vs the legitimate and long-term study I’ve done, the people who lived in the USSR, PRC, etc that I’ve spoken to and spoke positively of them, and the ongoing process of decay capitalist countries are in while socialist countries are steadily developing and improving. Go ahead, rely on the assumption that I must be stupid or ill-read to support a worker-centric economy rather than the absolute system of plunder that is crumbling. Keep doing Nazi apologia by equating a system of industrialized mass murder with a system that doubled life expectancy, democratized the economy, provided free and high quality healthcare and education, over tripled literacy rates to 99.9%, and more. Stay in your right-wing echo chamber formed by anecdotes and refuse to read anything.
If anecdotal evidence means shit, let me add mine too. I grew up (yes, me, not my parents, or grandparents) in a communist state in India, and it was great lol. Does that now mean that I get to deny all the legitimate criticisms of the system or that particular government? No. That’s not how it works you dumbasses. People give too much credence to anecdotal experience, even though it’s the most unreliable of all.
Absolutely. There are real problems with socialist societies of all kinds, but on the whole they are positive. You can find positive anecdotes in the worst societies and negative in the best, what’s important is doing the due dilligence to study what went right and what went wrong truthfully. Thanks for your anecdote!
I wonder if the discourse here and elsewhere suffers from the perspectives used to approach the topic initially. Asking the question of “how do we get this system to work,” rather than just submitting to the failed outcomes of well-known examples. Most people don’t want to create a system by which one or a small group of people can prosper at the detriment of the larger community. I think understanding how these systems affect their populations on a granular level is the only way we can find/create the best system.
Why would I EVER want communism to work? Would you “sit down” and start thinking “how do we get Nazi Germany to work”? Of course you wouldn’t.
Well, by “working” I mean providing a framework for all of its citizens to pursue prosperity and happiness. “Working/success” would mean that none of the atrocities were able to happen, and different leaders would have been selected.
This is a bit of an idealistic look at things, rather than a materialist outlook. Socialist countries, past and present, have been faced with real problems. Their issues weren’t about “finding the right leader” or “picking the right recipe,” but largely real struggles that any country tasked with needing rapid industrialization while defending against foreign invasion and subversion would need to.
Socialism isn’t about deciding on the right recipe, but analyzing historical progression and its laws so as to master them and wield them in our favor. No socialist country has been an outright “failure,” not even the ones that no longer exist.
Further, the person you are talking with is doing Nazi apologia via “Double Genocide Theory,” they aren’t a very serious person.
You described capitalism! Bravo!
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Horseshoe theory isn’t real lol
Does this mean that being willing to eradicate people for the greater good of humanity (far left) is not the same as being willing to eradicate people for the greater good of a secular minority (far right)?
Get dunked
Gottem!