I made a video about copyparty, the selfhosted fileserver I’ve been making for the past 5 years.
The main focus of the video is the features, but it also touches upon configuration. Was hoping it would be easier to follow than the readme on github… not sure how well that went, but hey :D
This video is also available to watch on the copyparty demo server, as a high-quality AV1 file and a lower-quality h264.
You made this on your phone on the bus ride to and from work.
I cleaned the cat box yesterday and considered that an accomplishment.
Fuck.
Congrats on the cat box cleaning!
Your readme looks super in depth, thanks for that! I haven’t watched the video yet but will later.
I didn’t see it mentioned from a quick glance, but is either sftp or ftps supported?
SFTP is not currently on the roadmap, but it’s not entirely implausible.
FTPS is supported, but it requires an optional dependency to be installed (pyopenssl), so it’s not available in the Windows EXE. And I just realized that the dependency is currently not present inside the docker images either, so I’ll get that fixed right away.
Screenshots of the ui at the top of the readme would be nice
Hey fellow scener, cool project!
Just a few thoughts/questions:
- BTRFS and ZFS support real deduplication via copy on write, and would eliminate all current disadvantages of symlink and hardlink deduplication. It just works.
- Why have it be one huge python source file? This is a serious code smell imo, and something you really should avoid doing as this can be a major maintenance burden.
BTRFS and ZFS support real deduplication via copy on write, and would eliminate all current disadvantages of symlink and hardlink deduplication. It just works.
yeah that’s a good point, I’ll add an option to take advantage of this if you know you’re running on a filesystem where that works as intended.
Why have it be one huge python source file?
oh don’t worry, it’s all separate files during development – there’s a build-stage which bundles everything up into a single file for distribution. But thanks for the concern :D
Ah, so you have compiled it into one file? Didn’t know that was possible for python, what tool do you use for this?
sooo this is one of the things that started with someone saying “wouldn’t it be funny if…”
if you open copyparty-sfx.py in a text editor, you’ll see how – but please make sure to use an editor which is able to handle about 600 KiB of comments which contain invalid utf8 / binary garbage 😁
I ended up rolling my own packer since I wanted optimal encoding efficiency, and everything I could find would do stuff like base85 or ucs2 tricks, but it turns out python is perfectly happy with binary garbage in comments if you declare that the file is
latin-1so it realizes all hope is lost :Dthe only drawback of the sfx.py is that it needs to extract to $TEMP before running, so that’s the slight advantage of the zipapp (the .pyz alternative), but that suffers from some performance reduction in return, and is more hermetic (doesn’t let you swap out the bundled dependencies with fresh versions as easily if necessary)
Ah, reminds me of the old self-extracting gzip executable trick. I used that once a very long time ago to make a 4k linux intro, before I realized to be competitive I should switch to windows to be able to use Crinkler, which is superior even though the decompressor is part of the executable.
Why not use zipapp?
What do you use to bundle into one file?
copyparty-sfx.pyis a custom packer (see this reply) created by make-sfx.sh, andcopyparty.pyzis a standard zipapp, created by make-pyz.sh. The zipapp has more disadvantages than thesfx.py, so that’s the default/recommended build.
Just a remark from someone who runs ZFS since the beginning. Many people don’t like the deduplication feature because of its memory footprint.
It’s also nice to have this feature without relying on a certain filesystem.
I assume you mean automatic deduplication? I haven’t used ZFS, but BTRFS does not have that. There are a variety of ways to perform deduplication, I have duperemove scheduled to run regularly.
If ZFS is still capable of being instructed to perform deduplication when automatic deduplication is turned off, which it really should be able to do, then this should work even with it turned off.
Clearly a labour of love 👍
Maybe support for some music streaming apps (subsonic?) would be cool?
That’s a neat idea – I’ve heard that a lot of stuff uses the subsonic API under the hood, so I’ll see what it would take to become compatible with that. At first glance it looks like I’d have to mine and index way more information about audio files, but could still be doable :>
Looking at and/or incorporating Navidrome might be helpful.
The fact you mention security features, without ever saying it’s ‘super secure’ tells me you know a lot about what you’re doing. I’m so sick of apps like this that start with “most secure app on the net” but you know they’re delusional. Thank you, going to check this out.
so uhh, sorry for the late response to this – was going to reply much earlier, but then suddenly it became more timely than ever…
the good news is, I’m fairly confident in how it handles the filesystem and permissions, preventing unauthorized access to files.
but the part I’m a bit less sure about is sanitizing user data; the kind of vulnerabilities where someone uploads a malicious file and bad stuff happens if you then open that file in a certain way, or someone sends you a malicious link and trick you into clicking it – in other words, the kind of vulnerabilities which require the attacker to have a certain level of access already, or that requires tricking you into doing something.
…and with version 1.18.5 released just now, we got a prime example of exactly one of those. Really unfortunate timing, but it’s a blessing to have so many new and curious eyes on it to spot these sooner rather than later. It is what it is.
Put out some in-depth docker instructions and this will be common use in a month. Good work.
Agreed.
Yup, I tried to run the docker image with the suggested docker command and it errored out for lack of a config file (though it did offer a fix in the logs for mounting the current directory as read/write)
The docker compose file worked great for me.
They may have patched it. I’ll check it out thanks.
you even mention ladybird as browser, nice 😎
it’s such an impressive project! Amazing what they’ve accomplished in so little time, and so important too – we need as many options as we can get.
I agree but it’s still in an early development state. Not really usable for everyday work let alone most people never heard about it 😅 But yeah still cool to mention it under “modern” browsers. I wish them good luck with the first alpha next year. I hope it’ll be successful.
Can claim “It even works with browsers from the future!”
Is there a way to help translate the UI.
I would like to help translate it into Danish.
Oh my god, this seems really good and closer to what I want than anything yet. Been looking for something to replace Nextcloud and found nothing good so I might take a look at this.
Just curious, why did you replace nextcloud? I’m looking into transitioning from my current file server, and I’ve mostly heard only good things and not NextCloud.
I want something with a permission model that works the same when accessed over a network share (SMB, ideally NFS) and access over a web interface. Ideally it would have a Mac File Provider sync client and whatever the Windows equivalent is called as well.
Nextcloud is fine but it’s not that.
Nextcloud is like Windows 95, it works great when you install it then it just keeps getting slower as you fill it with content
Holy shit this is so unbelievably full featured it’s not even funny. This is going to rattle some big names. I wonder how long till they try to shut it down because it’s better than anything commercially available.
I haven’t even tried it yet, but just from the video you can tell it’s going to be insanely good. I’m so impressed.
It’s the first bit of software I’ve seen in a long time where I took one look and immediately thought “Fuck me, I need that!”
I use Unraid for my NAS server and just on the off-chance I checked the Unraid community ‘app store’ and someone’s already created a Docker definition for it, published just today! The hype is real
I’ll be giving this a shot
I bumped into copyparty the other month when looking for a software that could let me transfer files to a friend with the ability to pause/resume. Didn’t bother with it, tried another software instead. Never really got it to work so I gave up on it.
Bumped into the YouTube video today, decided to give copyparty a shot, damn sir you’ve written a fine piece of software. It’s so easy to get up and configure. The UI is a bit janky, but charming at the same time. Thanks for all the hard work!
“It’s janky. It’s charming. It works. It’s Copyparty.” ®
Thanks for making the video but also for providing non Youtube link. Maybe there is a PeerTube server that would enjoy hosting it.
This looks great but I really wish it had SFTP.
thanks for the vote, I hear ya :>
I have a question, and I want to emphasise thar this is not criticism but a request for dive into technicalities.
In the video you mentioned copyparty has an one-way sync tool. Is there a good reason why it’s not two-way, or is this just something you weren’t motivated to do?
No worries, good question :>
The problem with bidirectional filesync is that it’s an absolutely massive can of worms, very easy to mess up, and the consequences of messing up are usually the worst kind (loss of data). There’s an insane amount of edgecases to keep in mind, and you need to get every edgecase right every single time, otherwise you might wipe someone’s vacation photos, or suddenly downgrade someone’s keepass database to an older version… And stuff like syncing multiple devices to the same server makes it balloon further.
I’ve started becoming more confident in copyparty’s filesystem-index database, but it’s still just a hint/guideline, with the filesystem being the only source of truth – it’s still not something I’d trust with tracking sync-state against one or more clients.
The bigger guys who offer bidirectional sync (nextcloud, syncthing, etc.) have spent years perfecting their logic, so I’d like to leave this in their capable hands.
Thank you for your answer! Do you think copyparty would work together with Syncthing on the same backing directory, or would they compete for changes etc? Copyparty in this scenario would be for sharing content with friends and occasional remote upload
that should be totally fine, I think a lot of people are doing that :>
Great software!
Ho… Ly… Shit… This is great! The UI is a bit confusing at first but doesn’t take long to get what’s going on. I might even be disappointed with a UI revamp 😁 I can’t believe how much functionality this has. It’s already replacing some processes I have for mounting drives and backing up files. Maybe I missed something, but my only complaint would be the lack of an automatic one-way folder sync in the Party UP! app.
I’m blown away, great job!
That “functional but charming” UI reminds me of audiobookshelf with the soundleaf app - same vibe where it dosn’t look fancy but gets the job done better than most polished alternatives!
