Zendaya just plays an immature, “rebel without a cause” New Yorker instead of Chani, a strong and intelligent Fremen young lady who falls in love with and follows her Muad’dib, not just because of his prophetic abilities but also/mostly because of his character. But, in the current Western cultural understanding, that just wouldn’t fly as strong means selfish and reactive and intelligent means rebellious and lippy. She’s awed by Paul, as would be anyone surrounding him (to Paul’s chagrin when it changes those around him to more “robotic” beings as it does with Stilgar), but also understands him deeply and is his emotional pillar, while Paul’s the pillar to his entire community. They just wanted a “girl boss” and that’s what we had in Denis’ Dunes. 😔
You’re feigning ignorance then if you actually recall the books. Zendaya’s/Denis’ Chani and Herbert’s Chani are like night and day. And, again, what exactly was ‘misogynistic’ about my comment? And do I have to start copypasting passages of Dune and Messiah and make a comparative analysis with Denis’ Dune? It’s past midnight over here, my guy.
To be completely honest, Herbert’s Chani was pretty forgettable. Admittedly, it’s been a very long time since I’ve read anything Dune, but I truly cannot remember anything memorable about Chani in the books…
She’s Paul’s everything (and trying to keep her alive for as long as possible is the main reason he does anything in Messiah, basically) and mostly a supporting character in the books, and there’s nothing wrong with that… but Zendaya is a star and the West would’ve crucified Denis if he just let Chani be Chani. We both know it, that’s the core of the disagreement in this comment section, lol. Heretics and Chapterhouse have fantastic female protagonists, but I doubt we’ll get there, sadly.
If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re upset that he improved Chani? Or do you just prefer 1 dimensional women characters who are defined entirely by their man?
It’s not an improvement, not at all. Chani in the books is someone I can picture becoming the muse and pillar of a complex man burdened with knowledge and duty (which is narratively necessary in both Dune and Messiah!). Lippy, immature, irrationally rebellious and feisty Zendaya’s Chani is not that. Again, many books, including Herbert’s own later in the series, have female protagonists who are not “1 dimensional” (although none as shallow and silly as the girl boss Chani of Denis, who certainly isn’t 1 dimensional, lol 🙄) and are fantastic. And upset is a big word, more like “disappointed and dissatisfied”, but money follows audiences so I understand. 🤷
Zendaya just plays an immature, “rebel without a cause” New Yorker instead of Chani, a strong and intelligent Fremen young lady who falls in love with and follows her Muad’dib, not just because of his prophetic abilities but also/mostly because of his character. But, in the current Western cultural understanding, that just wouldn’t fly as strong means selfish and reactive and intelligent means rebellious and lippy. She’s awed by Paul, as would be anyone surrounding him (to Paul’s chagrin when it changes those around him to more “robotic” beings as it does with Stilgar), but also understands him deeply and is his emotional pillar, while Paul’s the pillar to his entire community. They just wanted a “girl boss” and that’s what we had in Denis’ Dunes. 😔
Calling Zendaya’s Chani a girl boss New Yorker seems incredibly misogynistic to me.
I don’t understand what “woman hating subtext” you read from my comment but, if you read the books, it will just seem appropriate.
I’ve read all of them after Foundation it’s my favorite science fiction series.
You’re feigning ignorance then if you actually recall the books. Zendaya’s/Denis’ Chani and Herbert’s Chani are like night and day. And, again, what exactly was ‘misogynistic’ about my comment? And do I have to start copypasting passages of Dune and Messiah and make a comparative analysis with Denis’ Dune? It’s past midnight over here, my guy.
To be completely honest, Herbert’s Chani was pretty forgettable. Admittedly, it’s been a very long time since I’ve read anything Dune, but I truly cannot remember anything memorable about Chani in the books…
She’s Paul’s everything (and trying to keep her alive for as long as possible is the main reason he does anything in Messiah, basically) and mostly a supporting character in the books, and there’s nothing wrong with that… but Zendaya is a star and the West would’ve crucified Denis if he just let Chani be Chani. We both know it, that’s the core of the disagreement in this comment section, lol. Heretics and Chapterhouse have fantastic female protagonists, but I doubt we’ll get there, sadly.
Literally her only trait that I can remember.
If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re upset that he improved Chani? Or do you just prefer 1 dimensional women characters who are defined entirely by their man?
It’s not an improvement, not at all. Chani in the books is someone I can picture becoming the muse and pillar of a complex man burdened with knowledge and duty (which is narratively necessary in both Dune and Messiah!). Lippy, immature, irrationally rebellious and feisty Zendaya’s Chani is not that. Again, many books, including Herbert’s own later in the series, have female protagonists who are not “1 dimensional” (although none as shallow and silly as the girl boss Chani of Denis, who certainly isn’t 1 dimensional, lol 🙄) and are fantastic. And upset is a big word, more like “disappointed and dissatisfied”, but money follows audiences so I understand. 🤷
Honestly it feels like you dislike the actor and are projecting it on to the character.
You’re the king/queen of avoidance.