And that’s the story of why I switched to Arch <3
Obligatory Ubuntu sucks message

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    3 months ago

    Intolerable, scammy OS. Everything good in Ubuntu these days can be traced back to other projects, such as debian/Gnome/KDE. Whatever Canonical adds to that is just an attempt to lock you in their ecosystem or wring money out of you.

    Just use debian instead.

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      3 months ago

      That has ALWAYS been the case. I dont know why people are surprised now… ubuntu has alqays been backed by canonical. And it has always been based on the work of debian. What did people expect?

      People have always been saying to just skip the corporate bullshit and go straight to the source… debian

      Unfortunately there was a very loud group of people online shitting on debian, saying that it’s too difficult or user friendly or whatever… may have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore

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        3 months ago

        I just set up a new home lab server and my first instinct was the latest Debian.

        … Seemed fine to me.

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      3 months ago

      Yeah, all the good parts of Ubuntu have been backported to Debian years ago.

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          3 months ago

          Better out-of-the-box hardware support, in my experience. We have a machine learning server at work, it didn’t see the GPUs on Debian Bullseye with the driver versions specified by the manufacturer, but worked perfectly with Ubuntu Server out of the box.

          A distribution that is preconfigured by professionals has great value in a practical setting, even if that value has diminished in the eyes of the kind of person that Lemmy attracts. If I had tried to get Debian working by overruling the manufacturer’s instructions, I’d have to take responsibility for it, both its maintenance and the downtime and potential damage if I had fucked something up. With Ubuntu, I get to delegate at least part of the responsibility to Canonical (while covering my own ass), and that’s something you can’t backport.

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          3 months ago

          I don’t know what Maestro is referring to, but Ubuntu has really good out of the box hardware support. Also it streamlined the installation process. Start it as a live CD, look around, if you like it, install it from the live environment. Generally they improved usability.

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            3 months ago

            Live graphical installation and live environment has been a thing on fedora, suse, mandrake and a lot of distros since early 2000s. Ubuntu didn’t invent that.

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              3 months ago

              I thought Ubuntu was one of the first. Something arround 2005. I am not sure though.

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      3 months ago

      I haven’t given them anything and have been using desktop for almost 3 years now. I run Ubuntu server at work without any issues either. I signed up for pro for free on my home desktop and didnt have to pay anything.

      Where do they attempt to get money from me? Asking because I’m legitimately not sure.

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        3 months ago

        Back when I used ubuntu on my server, it kept telling me there were additional security updates locked behind ubuntu pro.

        Not sure why a message like that would even exist on a free system that’s supposed to be secure, so I switched to Debian just to avoid the abusive/corporate nonsense altogether.

        Couldn’t be happier.

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        3 months ago

        3 years, so I guess you have caught the Linux virus around that time as well?

        They have a history of showing ads and sharing user data with amazon: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks

        Some of the other things they tried are a bit difficult to judge, but I lost my trust and count them as lock-in attempts. These include:

        Notable good parts that I have not mentioned, but maybe should out of fairness: