One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention yet is upgrade potential - on the intel system, you could move to an i7 or i9 from the same generation but you can’t get anything newer without replacing the motherboard as well. The amd one is AM5 and you’ll be able to pop a new CPU in for like the next six years - odds are good you’d want to upgrade the cpu by then anyway, so expect the amd option to save you the cost of a motherboard down the road. It also gives you a 750W psu rather than a 650, so there’s a higher chance you won’t have to replace that too on your next upgrade.
In terms of performance between the two, i’d actually expect the intel to be a marginally faster cpu and have better connectivity (AMD’s 8000 series is a bit weird compared to their 7000 or 9000 series options, and lack some pcie lanes compared to a standard gaming cpu). This isn’t a super relevant difference for gaming, but still worth knowing for comparing the computers. On the GPU front, which is the most important part for games, the 9070 is way better and this is probably where the price difference comes from. I’d expect the amd system to be noticeably better for gaming, though honestly the price to performance between the two computers probably tracks pretty well.
The other option worth considering is building a pc, which will let you pick a better cpu, MUCH better ram, a faster + more reliable ssd, and your choice of case vs either of these two pcs. I don’t know what the price of that would look like in your market, so maybe not worthwhile, but I’d def recommend checking out the option at least because both of these prebuilts are skimping a little on ram and probably on the mobo/psu/cooling as well.
The amd one is AM5 and you’ll be able to pop a new CPU in for like the next six years
AM5 will lose support in 2027 unless it’s extended further, no? Six years from today is probably an overstatement, but I still agree with the general sentiment if we know now that there could be good upgrade options for the future.
Honestly I’m basing this more on the fact amd is STILL out here releasing new am4 cpus than on their stated timelines, they just don’t know when to give up on a socket no matter what they claim (not complaining tho)
You are right, I hope their track record continues, AM4 has been amazing.
I’m only slightly worried myself because I believe a few years ago they tried to silently drop 5000 series support from b450 boards or something like that, but then reversed that decision after backlash. Makes me think they could try that again, but so far I think they have course corrected successfully. Maybe I’m being slightly pessimistic by thinking they’ll try something similar again.
Intel supports genocide and is directly called out by BDS for its crimes. Go AMD instead.
Also Intel CPU’s have a reputation for being space heaters
Even their latest gens? I thought they started heavily investing in e-cores to reduce power consumption (heat).
In general though, their CPUs seem to have had a lot of issues recently and they look to be in a rough situation right now.
I’m not certain. They may have fixed the overheating. I still think it’s worse performance than a similar spec AMD processor.
On Lemmy, everyone will say AMD. On the rest of the net most people will probably say Intel+Nvidia. Difference is just the software that’s available. I would go with the AMD one personally.
AMD has great Linux support.
Why these choices in particular?
Personally I would go with the AMD one, but would increase RAM to at least 32GB and maybe downgrade GPU/CPU to compensate the price if needed.
My reasons are:
- Ryzen CPUs are better for multitasking
- AMD GPUs work better on Linux
For gaming you don’t really need 16GB yet. Maybe after the next gen of consoles is out, developers might start using that much RAM. But then OP can just add a stick or two
16GB is probably fine for most games right now but there are already some games where you will start to notice some drawbacks.
A game like Cyberpunk has a minimum RAM requirement of 12GB, but features in the game can cause it to eat more than that. And someone playing on PC may also want to have things like Discord streaming and a web browser going at the same time which can further eat into the budget.
Better to have more than you need IMO and future-proof a little bit, and RAM is not that expensive.
Yeah, 16gb is the minimum requirement for a pc nowadays I’d say. If you can get it ofc.
Fair. But since RAM is one of the easiest parts to upgrade you don’t need to future-proof it much imo. Just add a stick when it’s cheaper
Unless you’re in the US, then now might be the best time to buy electronics before prices continue to rise, haha.
I laugh because I’ll cry if I don’t.
I think the price difference would more more less reflect in the perofrmance difference for these setups. So whatever you need and can affort is the right choice. Unless you intend to install linux, then the AMD one for sure.
There wouldn’t be any major problems with the AMD kit? AMD is the more stable GPU on linux
That’s his point, if OP will use Linux, then AMD is better.
Unless you intend to install linux, then the AMD one for sure.
The only way I’m capable of reading this is a general recommendation for the AMD kit, with the exception of Linux use cases
It’s the other way around:
X, Unless Y, then Zmeans that in the case of Y, Z is true. A similar grammatical example would beYou should work, Unless you're sick, then you should restThat seems to be how they meant it, so I’ll chalk it up to misreading the context
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I did mean OP should not consider NVidia + Linux
I would go AMD for the reasons others have said, but also for long term driver performance. NVidia has shown over time that their cards stay the same for performance, meaning very little long term increase from driver improvements. AMD on the other hand has had long term driver improvements leading to longer life and better performance. Your nVidia option would start to feel crappy earlier than a matching AMD card. Also, if you can afford it the AMD is a more performant option. And consider making sure you have room to upgrade the RAM. If there are only two slots and both are full you will have to replace the RAM, but if there are two free slots you could add another 16GB later for a good boost.
AMD imo
As with most things, the answer is: it depends. More contextual information please.
gaming
That’s still not a lot of info. What kind of games do you want to play? Do you want to play the latest games at max graphics? Are you playing older games? FPS, moba, strategy? Those all have dramatically different requirements. Do you want to use ray tracing? Most importantly, do you want Linux of Windows?
Linux? AMD. Windows? AMD. Go with the AMD one. You won’t regret it.
I have a 9950X3D, and a 9070 XT working together. Runs everything I want super smoothly at max settings. 👍
Raptor lake sort of sucked. I would look for an arrow lake cpu if you can.
Amd of the same generation were better at that time. I’d get amd over that intel cpu.
I assume you want this for gaming? I’d probably go with the AMD kit
Depends on what games your playing. Would maybe bump ram at the expense of gpu or cpu. If your playing RTS like beyond all reason or city skylines then get better cpu— if splashy fps— it depends— but maybe better GPU.
