So while I really hate performative tough guy bullshit as a former MMA practitioner, I would really caution you against thinking the guy in the picture on the left is not really fucking strong. the guy who’s all cut up and striated with the ideal visible body often isn’t stronger than the dude with a couple layers of fat over his muscles that has been lifting his heavy body around his whole life. There’s also a class of dude I run into that just have some kind of genetics for absurd super colossal strength without any particular background in weightlifting or anything to justify why they are that strong (I’m sadly not in that cohort).
Additionally, we have weight classes for a reason. There was a fight recently where a chunky out of shape dude was put up against two female fighters and he won pretty handily. The gold medal winning women’s soccer team got absolutely destroyed by a boy’s 15-year-old club. Having trained with plenty of women in the gym over the years, none of them have ever expressed a rhetoric where they think that they can realistically fight a man in a venue where grappling is allowed. I will definitely take a lady Thai fighter over Joe barstool in a stand-up only bout though. There’s plenty of footage of foreigners in Thailand trying their hand and getting absolutely pasted with some devastating leg kicks.
I don’t think that’s nearly enough information to determine a viable winner. If they are nowhere near the same weight class then we know just through physics and fight history across the world that generally the bigger guy has a large advantage in venues where grappling is allowed because they can pull the other person down and lay on them. A big part of learning how to wrestle and grapple is learning a whole myriad of mechanics that are required to not let someone pin you down or gain control over your base.
I almost always suggest women learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling for self-defense because when they are just tackled from behind, they’ve got the tools necessary to try and extricate themselves.
Also, generally stand up is chaos and there’s always a chance of just getting caught with an elbow to the side of the dome in a scuffle and going down in a heap. It’s always risky to fight which is why you don’t see professional fighters willing to just throw down for no reason on the street.
There is no endurance, but the power is there. Someone in the example won’t last a minute, but they wont have to if they drop 250lbs on your throat in that first minute.
I also bet you ask most women fighters if they feel comfortable taking on any guy at 230-245, they are having none of it. 100lbs of fat is still an absurd advantage.
I’ve got some martial arts training, but only did like a month of BJJ with no other real grappling training. A girl-jock friend of mine, super active in BJJ and pretty big and buff for a girl, wanted to do a little playful sparring.
I pinned her so fast, with so little effort, it wasn’t even funny. She’d been training for years, and she was in great shape for it, but my amateur ass absolutely destroyed her.
Also, I did do some powerlifting for a while, and everyone who actually lifts heavy looks like a chubby farm boy.
To counter this, I could share that the guy who consistently took on all sparring partners at my BJJ gym was about 145 pounds.
I never got to see him in a real match, but his grappling was unmatched. Big BIG guys would train with him. He would teach the class while in the middle of a spar, instructing the group in a low key way, never getting oit of breath. Meanwhile, the 240 pound guy underneath him struggled and strained and grunted and could never pin him successfully.
So while I really hate performative tough guy bullshit as a former MMA practitioner, I would really caution you against thinking the guy in the picture on the left is not really fucking strong. the guy who’s all cut up and striated with the ideal visible body often isn’t stronger than the dude with a couple layers of fat over his muscles that has been lifting his heavy body around his whole life. There’s also a class of dude I run into that just have some kind of genetics for absurd super colossal strength without any particular background in weightlifting or anything to justify why they are that strong (I’m sadly not in that cohort).
Additionally, we have weight classes for a reason. There was a fight recently where a chunky out of shape dude was put up against two female fighters and he won pretty handily. The gold medal winning women’s soccer team got absolutely destroyed by a boy’s 15-year-old club. Having trained with plenty of women in the gym over the years, none of them have ever expressed a rhetoric where they think that they can realistically fight a man in a venue where grappling is allowed. I will definitely take a lady Thai fighter over Joe barstool in a stand-up only bout though. There’s plenty of footage of foreigners in Thailand trying their hand and getting absolutely pasted with some devastating leg kicks.
I give this starter a pack only a 5 out of 10.
since you have experience in the subject, what about a bear vs twink match? How do you think that would go?
I don’t think that’s nearly enough information to determine a viable winner. If they are nowhere near the same weight class then we know just through physics and fight history across the world that generally the bigger guy has a large advantage in venues where grappling is allowed because they can pull the other person down and lay on them. A big part of learning how to wrestle and grapple is learning a whole myriad of mechanics that are required to not let someone pin you down or gain control over your base.
I almost always suggest women learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling for self-defense because when they are just tackled from behind, they’ve got the tools necessary to try and extricate themselves.
Also, generally stand up is chaos and there’s always a chance of just getting caught with an elbow to the side of the dome in a scuffle and going down in a heap. It’s always risky to fight which is why you don’t see professional fighters willing to just throw down for no reason on the street.
Many a man underestimated Butter Bean.
There is no endurance, but the power is there. Someone in the example won’t last a minute, but they wont have to if they drop 250lbs on your throat in that first minute.
I also bet you ask most women fighters if they feel comfortable taking on any guy at 230-245, they are having none of it. 100lbs of fat is still an absurd advantage.
I’ve got some martial arts training, but only did like a month of BJJ with no other real grappling training. A girl-jock friend of mine, super active in BJJ and pretty big and buff for a girl, wanted to do a little playful sparring.
I pinned her so fast, with so little effort, it wasn’t even funny. She’d been training for years, and she was in great shape for it, but my amateur ass absolutely destroyed her.
Also, I did do some powerlifting for a while, and everyone who actually lifts heavy looks like a chubby farm boy.
To counter this, I could share that the guy who consistently took on all sparring partners at my BJJ gym was about 145 pounds.
I never got to see him in a real match, but his grappling was unmatched. Big BIG guys would train with him. He would teach the class while in the middle of a spar, instructing the group in a low key way, never getting oit of breath. Meanwhile, the 240 pound guy underneath him struggled and strained and grunted and could never pin him successfully.