• Rustling Leaves@slrpnk.net
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    Yes, though not always as accessible.

    The problem with electric cars is two fold as far as I understand it:

    • The electricity it uses is not sustainable.
    • It has lots of tracking etc and in some cases remote control.
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      While the power source that generated the electricity is not necessarily sustainable, power plants should have more at scale Features to limit the pollutants than a traditional petrol engine.

      Or at least the power plants should if one lives in a civilized society…

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        civilized society

        I’m sorry sir but such a thing does not exist, I fear you must have dreamed it.

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      Tracking is not unique to electric cars, just new cars.

      Large power stations are more efficient than small engines.
      Many electric car owners also have solar panels.

      Refining enough fuel to transport an average car 100km uses enough energy to transport an average electric car 50km. That’s just refining, not including searching for or collecting the oil, or transporting the fuel to fuel stations.
      It’s so much electricity that most oil refineries have dedicated coal or gas power stations.

      As long as you are only considering cars, electric cars are superior in almost every way, and are constantly getting better.

      A diesel bus is still better than an electric car (although an electric bus would be better still). Trains and trams would be ideal, but require more upfront cost, so are easier for lazy or corrupt politicians to oppose.

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        Good point about tracking being a newer car problem.

        Sadly where I live busses are not accessible to me since:

        • They are infrequent.

        • They do not have a ‘live map’ so make me extremely anxious since I don’t know where I am nor where to stop the bus.

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          Where I’m from, in the UK, there’s a lot of wind power because it’s cheaper and the labour government of 97-2010 invested in it.

          So electricity is greenest and cheapest overnight, so my car knows to charge itself starting when the cheap overnight electricity tariff kicks in. I save about 80% over what I used to party for petrol.

          I do not miss going to the petrol station one bit.

          Yes Nissan have my car’s location all the while but otherwise they wouldn’t be able to report it to me via the app. And I trust them much more than I trust Google and Google not only knows where I and my phone are all the time, they also know what apps I use for how long and if I accidentally press the button their assistant gets to see a screenshot. Worrying that Nissan know where I parked the car doesn’t compare.

          Anyway, it’s just the most fun to drive car I’ve ever driven. So much acceleration! So smooth!

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      I’d say long term, neither of those should be problems

      The electricity it uses is not sustainable.

      Many EV users also go for solar panels to alleviate energy costs. Also as a country’s electrical grid modernises, it should make use of a greater share of renewables given they’re cheaper than the alternatives now.

      It has lots of tracking etc and in some cases remote control.

      Slightly less certain, but I’d hope this kind of thing is legislated away at some point. There’s also always customer choice, there will be manufacturers that compete on the privacy angle if enough of us care

      The main problem with EVs is it doesn’t solve any of the problems inherent to cars being treated as the main mode of transportation in a given area. Places like that will see EVs as the solution compared to an alternative of investing into better public transit infrastructure.

      Infrastructure that is basically inevitable, since we know now that any town/city that eschews anything but car transit will ultimately bankrupt themselves on road maintenance alone.

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      the wear of the tires constantly pollutes the environment with synthetic material dust (rubber, plastic, etc). much more so, than from buses, because every car has to move more of its weight around per passenger.

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      I would suggest different downsizes:

      • EVs are much heavies, and they wear down the road, and everything else
      • tire particles are going to be the next problem after fossil fuels

      Solution: trains, more trains, even more trains.