Based on the description on their site, the controller includes a built-in battery: "8.39 Wh Li-ion battery​, 35+ hours of gameplay… "

That was disappointing for me. Specially condidering the Steam Frame’s controllers make use of AA batteries: “​One replaceable AA battery per controller, ​ 40hr battery life​”

AA Batteries might not be as convenient to use, but being able to replace them is a great advantage. All my Xbox360 controllers still work fine, but none of my PS3’ Dualshock 3s.

The official docking station could be used to recharge (rechargables) AA batteries so the functionality could remain the same.

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    The difference in my hypothetical world is time. Pretty much all lithium batteries are not quickly swappable.

    And the other difference is I already have a drawer full of rechargeable AAs. It’s a standard size thats readily available for purchase from 1000 different places and likely will be indefinitely and I can use the same ones in a dozen different devices.

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      I’m talking about the actual physical object and its characteristics. The part that affects time taken is the access to the battery, not the battery form factor.

      It’ll take all of two minutes to swap the battery, chill out.

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        It’ll take all of two minutes to swap the battery

        I don’t think you understand. This is something I do every few days. Swapping my AA batteries takes 10 seconds.

        When Steam drops a battery door I’ll be less concerned. But they didn’t. And they won’t. And maybe someone else will make and sell them but then I’ll have to spend extra money to buy it.

        chill out

        I don’t know why you think I’m not “chill”?

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          Ok, and you’ll only have to swap this battery out after a couple of years, so what’s the problem?

          Glad we’re agreed it’s about the access, not the battery itself.

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            I have had discussions with this person before and it’s not worth it haha. It doesn’t matter that this person will spend arguably more time swapping AA batteries over the years than the time spent replacing the built in batter one or two times during its lifetime.

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            what’s the problem?

            I’ve already said what the problem is, several times now. I’m not repeating myself. Scroll up and read.

            Glad we’re agreed it’s about the access, not the battery itself.

            No, it’s both.

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              The problem as you’ve stated it compares replacing an AA battery (necessary very often) to replacing a rechargeable battery (only necessary when it’s health depletes after years), so your characterisation of it so far is unreasonable, which is why I asked again.

              If it’s both you’ve failed to explain any inherent problem with non-AA batteries when it comes to the time taken to change them. I can change a the custom battery in my camera as quickly as any AA. Faster, even, than the typical AA sprung enclosure because of the housing.

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                (only necessary when it’s health depletes after years)

                Incorrect. I replace them when they need charging. Pop the ones in the controller out, pop them on the charger, and pop freshly-charged ones in. 5 seconds.

                I can change a the custom battery in my camera as quickly as any AA.

                1. That is obviously not the case with the Steam controller.

                2. you now need to buy special batteries from a particular source that likely won’t even be available for purchase 5-10 years on. Whereas AA are ubiquitous and can buy them from hundreds of vendors, and likely will be able to indefinitely.

                Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean I’ve “failed to explain” it. I’ve explained it over and over at this point.

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                  Why is 5 seconds every few days better than 2 minutes every few years? You just keep talking up how easy it is to replace AAs as if that’s somehow the only important thing? For it to be worse, it has to be worse than the alternative which you just don’t seem to understand is going to take up less time?

                  That is obviously not the case with the Steam controller.

                  How do you know? Do you have a preview?

                  But you’ve again completely ignored the point, which is that the non-AA alternative is quicker to swap, so the time to swap was never about the battery type, was it?

                  Once you’ve understood this we can talk about the point you never initially mentioned, but I’m not opening a new discussion when you’re being so willfully ignorant on the first one.