I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It’s worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.
Yep, that’s why we need to have revolutionary optimism. Right now, incredible strides are being made by socialist countries like China to combat climate change and push for electrification and sustainability.
Calling a country where the means of production are controlled by the upper classes “socialist” is a stretch even before we consider their mixed economy and rampant capitalism.
Public ownership is the principle aspect of their economy, and a working class party has domination over their state. The large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned, with massive state owned enterprises forming the backbone of their economy. Private, cooperative, and joint-stock ownership covers mostly the small and medium firms, and the larger of these are heavily controlled and influenced by the CPC.
As for being “mixed,” all economies are mixed, that doesn’t mean we can’t identify what the principle aspect of the economy is. Socialism isn’t a “pure” mode of production, and neither is capitalism, you don’t have X% capitalism, Y% socialism, etc. That’s not how modes of production work.
You’re a delusional, rabid shitlib that is actively towing the line for a invasion of Venezuela by a hegemonic power that has over 200 military bases in the world while playing down the actual efforts of a socialist nation that has succeeded in nearly eliminating homelessness with a higher literacy rate, higher home-ownership rate and higher protein consumed per capita as demonstrable effects of socialist policy meant to assist and uplift the working class of the nation.
A large majority of those in China is a PART of the Communist Party of China and it has one of the highest government satisfaction rates in the entire world, despite the criticisms people can level at it rightfully or not. You tow the line for imperialism, deny the accomplishments of one of the most successful socialist experiments and have the right to call anything “delusional?”
Someone’s got their head buried in the sand. The number of critical problems that are gonna come to a head in the next 20 years that could collectively degrade the biosphere beyond supporting a substantial human population is nuts. It’s not fatalist to say that billions could die and it’s no consolation to the dead and their loved ones that “humans are exceptionally durable”.
Wow, two pompous dudes who assume they know everything but don’t even bother to read.
Nothing you just talked about was said by me. Doomer shit, as in saying “all life will end” or even “all human life will end,” is in fact liberal, settler, bs. It presumes that a world that is not conducive to human life as it exists is not one worth imagining and especially not building. It is a convenient dead end that absolves you of the responsibility to participate in mitigation and reconstruction because, of course, it’s too late and even if it isn’t it will be and capitalism is powerful enough to apparently sustain a collapse of supply chains. It is foolish.
Nowhere did I say people won’t die, I emphasised that they do and actually value the lives of people who will more than some dude who does fucking nothing because I at least recognize that there is a way to mitigate the amount of people who do die. Additionally, I acknowledged that this is not limited to human life. Capitalism will not destroy all life on this planet, this is straight up reality. No, human systems are not equal in power to fucking cosmic events.
Capitalism does try to survive despite the obvious reality that a system dependent on infinite resources cannot exist in a finite material world. It will do so by killing more and more life until it dies, and it will die whether that is from human action itself or the eventuality of a world that refuses to sustain its existence through environmental change and yes, the collapse of crucial ecosystems.
I say humans are durable because we are, do you have any fucking clue how insane this way of life is in the context of life on this planet? Do you have any idea how close humans have come to extinction in the past exactly because of ecological change? You don’t, you refuse to because all of that is terribly inconvenient for someone who doesn’t want life to change.
Grow up and help. I won’t read a response as it’s obvious you didn’t grant me that level of respect.
I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It’s worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.
Yep, that’s why we need to have revolutionary optimism. Right now, incredible strides are being made by socialist countries like China to combat climate change and push for electrification and sustainability.
Calling a country where the means of production are controlled by the upper classes “socialist” is a stretch even before we consider their mixed economy and rampant capitalism.
Public ownership is the principle aspect of their economy, and a working class party has domination over their state. The large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned, with massive state owned enterprises forming the backbone of their economy. Private, cooperative, and joint-stock ownership covers mostly the small and medium firms, and the larger of these are heavily controlled and influenced by the CPC.
As for being “mixed,” all economies are mixed, that doesn’t mean we can’t identify what the principle aspect of the economy is. Socialism isn’t a “pure” mode of production, and neither is capitalism, you don’t have X% capitalism, Y% socialism, etc. That’s not how modes of production work.
Saying the public has ownership implies that they have some control of it which certainly isn’t true. It’s more like a Palace economy than anything.
The government is democratically run, and the working class is in control of it. It absolutely is true.
That’s just delusional.
No? China is a democratic country with more people happy with it than western countries:
You’re a delusional, rabid shitlib that is actively towing the line for a invasion of Venezuela by a hegemonic power that has over 200 military bases in the world while playing down the actual efforts of a socialist nation that has succeeded in nearly eliminating homelessness with a higher literacy rate, higher home-ownership rate and higher protein consumed per capita as demonstrable effects of socialist policy meant to assist and uplift the working class of the nation.
A large majority of those in China is a PART of the Communist Party of China and it has one of the highest government satisfaction rates in the entire world, despite the criticisms people can level at it rightfully or not. You tow the line for imperialism, deny the accomplishments of one of the most successful socialist experiments and have the right to call anything “delusional?”
Back to Reddit!
Terminally online MLs now use “Shitlib” like conservatives use “woke”. A word for everything they don’t like.
Someone’s got their head buried in the sand. The number of critical problems that are gonna come to a head in the next 20 years that could collectively degrade the biosphere beyond supporting a substantial human population is nuts. It’s not fatalist to say that billions could die and it’s no consolation to the dead and their loved ones that “humans are exceptionally durable”.
Wow, two pompous dudes who assume they know everything but don’t even bother to read.
Nothing you just talked about was said by me. Doomer shit, as in saying “all life will end” or even “all human life will end,” is in fact liberal, settler, bs. It presumes that a world that is not conducive to human life as it exists is not one worth imagining and especially not building. It is a convenient dead end that absolves you of the responsibility to participate in mitigation and reconstruction because, of course, it’s too late and even if it isn’t it will be and capitalism is powerful enough to apparently sustain a collapse of supply chains. It is foolish.
Nowhere did I say people won’t die, I emphasised that they do and actually value the lives of people who will more than some dude who does fucking nothing because I at least recognize that there is a way to mitigate the amount of people who do die. Additionally, I acknowledged that this is not limited to human life. Capitalism will not destroy all life on this planet, this is straight up reality. No, human systems are not equal in power to fucking cosmic events.
Capitalism does try to survive despite the obvious reality that a system dependent on infinite resources cannot exist in a finite material world. It will do so by killing more and more life until it dies, and it will die whether that is from human action itself or the eventuality of a world that refuses to sustain its existence through environmental change and yes, the collapse of crucial ecosystems.
I say humans are durable because we are, do you have any fucking clue how insane this way of life is in the context of life on this planet? Do you have any idea how close humans have come to extinction in the past exactly because of ecological change? You don’t, you refuse to because all of that is terribly inconvenient for someone who doesn’t want life to change.
Grow up and help. I won’t read a response as it’s obvious you didn’t grant me that level of respect.
Settle down, Beavis