I think when it comes to blocking people, I can see some improvement there. I’m all about the idea of not adding fuel to the fire in the form of pointless online arguments and conflicts.
I see so many online platforms just fucking fail at the ways they try approaching that issue. Most places would let you block a user but they can still see everything that the blocked user has said. Like that opens the doors to exploiting and archiving. It is one thing if you’re logged out and can see things site-wide than it is still being logged in and seeing what was said.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them. I want them to not see anything I’ve said and I wouldn’t want to see anything they’ve said either. I don’t want to block them and find out they engage me on an alt just with things to continue the bullshit with.
I think the Fediverse has corrected that aspect that, when you log off, you can’t see shit. So it prevents that. Though that’s practiced from the instance I’m on for all I know.
However, when logged in and still blocking people, they can still see what was said by those who blocked them.
Furthermore and this is a bit of a controversial part, is that, I think moderation logs to be open is a bad idea. Again, it is to me, just one more thing to add to the fuel of a fire that isn’t being let to wind down. Because people often jab and joust at others with shit like “LOOK WHUT U DID IN THUH MODERATION LOG!” and that just does nothing but escalate.
I think with some of these kinds of corrections, would promote the idea of a healthier ecosystem for the community.
We could be nicer.
I hope you all have a good week.
Agreed. We’re still one of the most polite online spaces I’m aware of, but it’s harsher than it was right during the third party app exodus.
I’m a cis, white, male, everyone is nice to me
I really don’t get why there are so many mean people here. I don’t mean everyone has to go around being extra polite all the time - hell, even I don’t do that. It’s the intentional stuff, trying to hurt someone’s feelings, that baffles me. There’s way too much of it, and it just boggles my mind.
I don’t care how big an asshole the other person was being - responding that way just makes two assholes. Block them and move on. Don’t add to the toxicity that ruins social media in the first place, or you’re part of the problem.
I believe there is some huge level of insecurity among people that make them act that way. It has to be. It’s their poor way of coping in a world they probably didn’t have any plans in how to navigate in, so why not just be a bastard online? It gives them a sense of superiority and power I guess, as false as it is.
If you’re having to go around and mindlessly pick arguments with people, be an asshole and try to tell them how you’re better than them? You’re most likely not better than them. You’ve only sunk down several levels yourself.
The biggest thing for me is searchability. After a post is off the feed, it may as well be deleted. God help you if you’re looking for something new, like a guide or help post. Most of the Fediverse is unindexed by search engines, and the built-in Lemmy search makes Reddit search look like Google in it’s prime. I know PieFed has helpped a bit by adding flairs, so you can at least sort by that, but to my knowledge thats about as far as anyone has gone trying to address this.
Most of the Fediverse is unindexed by search engines
Yeah what’s up with this? It’s so damn hard to find anything even if I remember the title of the post
Makes sense Google wants you to go to reddit not lemmy.
I believe its a mix of the fact that Google favours large websites, and the fact that so much of the Fediverse is hostile to bots/crawling, which also tends to exclude search engines.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them. I want them to not see anything I’ve said and I wouldn’t want to see anything they’ve said either. I don’t want to block them and find out they engage me on an alt just with things to continue the bullshit with.
Unenforcible without Real ID Verification.
I could just have a dormant account in a different Tor Session and it would be unlinkable to me.
If you block me, I could use that account to browse and still see you.
I could have 10 or 100 of these alts.
(Hypothetically speaking of course, I don’t have the energy to do all that stuff, I always lists every alt in my profile)
The Fediverse could improve how things are shared. If I wanted to share your post with a friend, I’ll give them this link: https://piefed.ca/c/asklemmy/p/424338/what-do-you-feel-the-fediverse-could-improve-on.
If they’re also on the same instance as me (Piefed.ca), then all’s good. But God forbid they’re on another instance and they want to comment or vote on your post. They would have to go back to their own instance, find this community, and then search for this specific post.
And I know some of you guys are itching to tell me about using a browser extension/script or another front-end to fix this, but this should be officially integrated with every front-end. I don’t understand why there still hasn’t been any integration with something like Threadiverse.
How can a social media grow if you can’t even share posts properly?
I think having open modlogs is great for transparency.
People will routinely play innocent after saying gross shit, getting rid of the record will only make it harder to call out bad actors.
I prefer the way blocks work, if someone is talking shit they cant just block the people calling them out.
I wish I could block community categories, like anything associated with news could be blocked once instead of having to block dozens of individual communities.
You can block keywords on Piefed.
You can do that with adblocker custom filters too:
lemmy.world##div.post-listing:has(span:has-text("/trump/i"))
- Starter Packs in the MicroBlogVerse (Which is coming to Mastodon!)
- Multis in the ThreadiVerse (Which is also coming to Lemmy!)
I’m new here. I’d like to be able to find communities by size (ie. locate the ones that actually are used).
You can do this on piefed with the community browser.
Thank you, this was EXTREMELY helpful.
I think there needs to be a higher emphasis on real life community building instead of recreating the services that destroyed communities.
We don’t need another twitter clone. We need a marketplace and volunteer organizing software.
I can easily imagine tiny towns, neighborhoods (and even apartments) using a Mastodon server to create a community based social media. Now, whether people would WANT to use that, and if it would just turn into NextDoor, are separate issues.
I think those are great ideas. Event planning is a general-purpose app that can be leveraged for mobilizing political groups. I don’t think there’s really anything like Facebook Groups, unless Friendica has some of that.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them.
Depends how one defines ‘blocking’, maybe?
I mean, when I block someone (which I do from time to time) it’s because I don’t want to see whatever they can say or post. I don’t care the slightest that they can read what I write, nor do I care what they can say about it either. I just don’t want to be bothered by them. They could say the worst thing they want about me, that’s fine provided their noise does not reach me ;)
I think moderation logs to be open is a bad idea
To me it relates to the idea that users, all of us, are supposed to be responsible and reasonable persons. The kind that is able to face unpleasant facts, words, and people too. Very much unlike users in most closed source/walled-garden social media that are treated like little children that need to be protected from everything, even their own shadow.
Alas, if the idea is great the reality is a little less so and not all of us are able to deal with… our own emotions when facing unpleasant things. Still, no matter how not perfect it is, I think it’s worth promoting that approach. Even if it has a (real) cost.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them. I want them to not see anything I’ve said and I wouldn’t want to see anything they’ve said either. I don’t want to block them and find out they engage me on an alt just with things to continue the bullshit with.
They can already do this if you block them even if they can’t see what you say. Especially on the Fediverse where people can just create alternative accounts on different instance.
I think the Fediverse has corrected that aspect that, when you log off, you can’t see shit. So it prevents that. Though that’s practiced from the instance I’m on for all I know.
Yes, this is purely your instance. You can see content logged out on most instances.
Furthermore and this is a bit of a controversial part, is that, I think moderation logs to be open is a bad idea. Again, it is to me, just one more thing to add to the fuel of a fire that isn’t being let to wind down. Because people often jab and joust at others with shit like “LOOK WHUT U DID IN THUH MODERATION LOG!” and that just does nothing but escalate.
This is you very much. Open moderator logs massively increase community moderator transparency in the long-run.
I would also like to see custom feeds in lemmy
That is coming to Lemmy, but is already present on Piefed.
Why is it in my many decades of online discussion I have never blocked anyone, yet I see people who somehow think they need it?
Why?
You cant just move on or ignore them? I find it so weird.
I agree. A lot of people are proud of their 100-user-long blocklist. Seems like a weird thing to boast about, to me.
A global landing page that let’s people join from, asks them some basic questions and selects a server based on those answers wall while explaining in laymen’s tense why. Then when the user finishes signing up presents them with a printable page of their login (user ID, server, etc.) for them to keep in their records and a button to take them straight in.
Hell, add fediserach somewhere in there as well.
People need an information kiosk
Someone could make this today. In fact, it probably already exists, but how would you find it? Also, how would the service catalog instances without being an instance itself and federating? And at that point why not just join that instance? Doesn’t having a “front page” for the whole fediverse kind of defeat decentralization? I feel like every aspect of these apps runs counter to that happening.
I really don’t know how - or even if - the “discoverability” issue will be solved. I also don’t know if it needs a solution. I’ve been enjoying the slow drip of organically discovering neat little comms. It’s almost exactly like the Internet used to be imo.
So, I look at this how I first saw the fediverse. There was a promise of collaboration, a united against monopolistic tech companies that originally drew me in, but how it worked was not clearly explained and I didn’t really understand until much after joining Lemmy, most users don’t care for the complexity and while you are correct that a cetralized Lemmy would go against the purpose of the fediverse, my idea would be of a communal lobby not one ran from a single instance but as a collaboration between the biggest instances. It only would display a catalog of instances and use API endpoints to create a new users account. The feddisearch already exists and could just be either linked to this page or also pulled in using an API if possible. Management would be handled by the owners of all member instances as well as financing.
I guess the question finally falls in do we want to go up against the big tech companies and improve the internet, or just want to exist inone of the Internet’s corners and be left alone?
Yeah I hear you. I was mostly playing devil’s advocate with my questions. I think your idea is very interesting, I just wouldn’t expect Lemmy devs to pick it up.
That’s the neat thing of open source, they technically don’t have to. The community can do it as well.
Yes, I like the idea of a “two-side” block. It really could calm down situations. For example I have a guy who shouts “bot” or “troll” whenever we appear in one thread. It would save me a few bans if he couldn’t see my posts.
Someone floated the idea of people being able to do temporary blocks, to allow for cooling off. But the problem with two-side blocks is that it’s often used to shut down discussion rather than function as a meaningful block.
Also, people can spin up alternative accounts on here on different instances easily. So the impact of a two-way block will always have much less value if someone is truly determined to irritate you on here as compared to Reddit. Ultimately your harasser is a community instance issue, so far as I can see.
Shut down the discussion? How is it a problem? It is the very purpose. I just don’t want to have anything to do with some user. And I don’t want him to have anything to do with me. Discussion is impossible in the first place.
Yes, “determined” enemy can still bypass the “ban”, but do we have any significant amount of such people? Most will forget the situation in 10 minutes after the irritating person is out of sight.
Shut down the discussion? How is it a problem? It is the very purpose. I just don’t want to have anything to do with some user. And I don’t want him to have anything to do with me. Discussion is impossible in the first place.
People can make an argument and block the other user to force the last word essentially. Blocking is a difficult discussion however you try to do it because there’s no right answer.
Yes, “determined” enemy can still bypass the “ban”, but do we have any significant amount of such people? Most will forget the situation in 10 minutes after the irritating person is out of sight.
Yes we do. It’s trivial to spin up alternative accounts.
