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          Well you pleading to kill many people is some crazy shit. But you probably know that.

          I’m guessing you talk big. What about enlisting and actually follow up on your big boy talk. Judging by the talk you’re probably not even American either. Who you calling a cracker, you’re whiter than I’ll ever be lmao.

          Be the change you want to see in the world. Why not?

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            Well you pleading to kill many people is some crazy shit. But you probably know that.

            And you are stupid enough to cry about a shitty meme. Just get a job and move on.

            I’m guessing you talk big. What about enlisting and actually follow up on your big boy talk.

            Enlisting for what? Killing Arabs, Asians, Africans and Latinos? Because that’s what the NATO has been doing since WWII. Do you even follow any news outside of your echo chamber?

            Judging by the talk you’re probably not even American either. Who you calling a cracker, you’re whiter than I’ll ever be lmao.

            The fuck does the skin color has to do with anything? Will being as dark as a starless night makes my words righter? Behave like a cracker and you will be called a cracker, simple as.

            Be the change you want to see in the world. Why not?

            You are talking to a guy who’s got arrested twice for criticizing his government on Twitter—yes, the old one—and joining a protest for injustices happened—and got tortured in that one. Think twice before trying to lecture someone cracker.

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    Tbh even if there was sufficient political will to pivot to China (there is some, and it is growing), people underestimate just how entangled European military structures are with the US via NATO. This is by design of course, and a situation EU atlanticists have historically been very happy with, but pulling out is no small ask.

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    China as commercial partner is way more reliable as the USA, apart the EU has finally approved Mercosur, creating with it the biggest common market in the world. The USA will lose all commercial partners in the future if they continue with their policies. The only problem is that there are still EU countries to submissive with the USA (Germany and some eastern countries).

    Meanwhile the USA on the way to an civil war

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    China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa right now. They’re actively working against Europe in Ukraine. Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

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        In yester-year China invaded their friends and allies India & Vietnam. Not long Before that Europe was inventing entirely new ways to shaft over the rest of the world. There’s really no such thing as a “trustworthy” partner in geopolitics, just Alligned incentives&ideologies

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      China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa

      So are western countries as well and don’t see you crying about it?

      They’re actively working against Europe in Ukraine.

      Insisting sanctions to be decided in the UN and not unilaterally by the west when it’s NATO expansion that triggered the war is not working against Europe. Providing a framework for peace and trying to facilitate peace talks is not working against Europe. Being the largest trading partner of Ukraine is not working against Europe.

      Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

      Europe and the US are right?

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        China has an exhaustive control over the people even on internet (the great Firewall, because this everybody use an VPNm even Schools), but apart of this, the people have way more civil rights and services as those from the US. It isn’t a democracy, but also by far not an bloody dictatorship as people say. In the Vivaldi forum we have a lot of users from China since a lot of years. “China is bad” is a pure falacy.

        https://www.thepackablelife.com/travel/journal/living-in-china

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      There are a lot of communists here, FOSS attracts us and Lemmy in particular was made and is developed by communists. The PRC is a socialist country governed by communists, so most communists support it.

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        The political discussion here would be much more enticing if these “communists” actually supported communist ideals. This is just state worship.

        Leftism is dead and buried. Look up the concept of a “deformed worker’s state” and tell me it doesn’t describe China to a tee.

        Trotsky was right and was assassinated for it.

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          Communists do support communist ideals, though. Socialist states have brought dramatic improvements, such as doubling life expectancy in Russia and China, 99.9% literacy rates, democratization of the economy, massive improvements to healthcare and education, low homeless rates, poverty alleviation, and more. I don’t “worship” states, I support socialism as a system for improving the lives of the people.

          Trotsky was wrong. The biggest reason Trotsky was wrong was because he believed the peasantry to be counter-revolutionary, which was the basis of Permanent Revolution. However, even simple investigation into socialist states like China prove them to be more genuinely democratic than what preceded it. For example, look at the perceptions of democracy in China:

          This is combined with over 90% of the population supporting their government. Consistent studies like this point to something beyond whatever Trotsky believed. Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance goes over how socialist countries have established democratic control.

          The real problem with Trotskyism, other than the inapplicability of Permanent Revolution, is that its conclusions are inflexibly against real socialism in modern implementation. Few Trotskyist orgs support AES, while none have established socialism themselves. It’s a deeply western, fatalistic tendency.

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                We are discussing so-called “Communists” on this platform. You and I both know this place is crawling with history denialists (particularly the events of June 1989). Any “ideology” that is more concerned about preserving the image of the state over accepting responsibility is not an ideology worth my or anybody else’s time. It’s insulting and little and pathetic.

                I’m interested in the merits of communism, but all this platform does is re-hash the same state approved talking points over and over. It’s tiring and isn’t winning anybody with an ounce of morality over.

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                  I don’t agree with the idea that “this place is crawling with history denialists.” What it is “crawling” with are people that combat the westernized, atrocity propaganda version of June 4th, 1989, instead contextualizing it with what’s actually confirmed. For example, western myth-making talks about tanks running over everyone on the square, resulting in 10,000 killed, but what actually happened is that dispersal of the square was peaceful, but on the way to the square hundreds of rioters and PLA members died in fighting around Beijing. This isn’t “denialism,” but instead deflecting western atrocity propaganda.

                  We do accept responsibility, and aren’t interested in lying, but when we know that the character of events is quantitatively and qualitatively different from the version western anti-communists beat us over the head with, we are forced to confront them honestly. What’s insulting and little and pathetic isn’t the communists combatting misinformation, but the anti-communists less interested in truth and more interested in wielding whatever convenient narrative they can like a club.

                  One thing that’s important is that when we talk about communism, honestly judging its merits and flaws, people come to communism. I made an intro ML reading list, as an example, that others seem to like. Also, around the world, communist orgs are growing in membership.

                  The point of this all is that you’ve done no real effort to explain how we falsify history, you’ve vaguely asserted it while belittling our efforts. Your citation is that “you and I know this,” which isn’t a source, nor is it accurate, yet you’re using this narrative like a club to try to shut me down, regardless of the truth of the matter. It’s thought-terminating.

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      "Anything short of vitriolic hate of the CPC and Chinese people is pro Chinese propaganda. " Washingtons strongest soldier