• flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz
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    2 months ago

    Hating on tech billionaires - Yes
    Government control of communications - No

    Those things are not mutually exclusive

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      2 months ago

      So does the government ban the news from criticizing them just because they’re not anonymous? That’s not the way it works in the EU. You’re very lost it would seem…

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        2 months ago

        That’s not the way it works in the EU

        Not yet. Because they don’t have the mechanism.

        And it’s not about Sánchez and his government. I don’t think they would do it. But governments change, sooner or later someone else will win elections. Someone who might not agree with criticism.

        And don’t try to convince me “it would never happen in the EU”. We have more than enough examples that eventually every country has a brush with authoritarianism. Even in the EU currently (eg Hungary). Prevention is always better than trying to fix it later.

          • aka_@piefed.social
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            2 months ago

            Yes, and not thanks to the internet.

            You know the things that started happening everywhere in the democratic world from 2015 on or so though?

            Turns out the internet as is doesn’t do much to advance democracy, but it’s great for destroying it.

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          2 months ago

          “Not yet”

          Spain was a dictatorship until the 70s and transitioned into a democracy without anonymous internet shitposting. The USA was a functioning democracy and transitioned into a shithole with anonymous internet shitposting.

          Anonymous internet shitposting fixes nothing, it only damages the social fabric and pollutes the public discourse. That’s why foreign actors love to weaponize it.

          Being a citizen of a free country comes with responsibilities: paying taxes, voting, expressing your opinions sensibly. Anonymous internet shitposting advances zero democratic values, it’s simply a great channel for conducting international destabilization campaigns.

          It. Fixes. Nothing. If you’re as lazy as to need anonymity to post your opinions in a free country you’re going to overthrow no tyranny. You’ll just be fed psyops by others who will break your system.

          • rnercle@sh.itjust.works
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            2 months ago

            Can you sign that comment with your real name and address to be an example for all of us? Don’t forget to add your phone number.

            We will of course need proof, so attaching a scan of your id would be a step towards It.Fixing.Something.

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              As I said, having a government platform doing the encrypted id check means you would get the encrypted id check and verification, and the government would read your data (as it already does). Don’t try to sell fear.

              And by the way, I’m registered as the owner and resident of my house that has an internet connection with an IP from which I’m writing, paid with my bank account, all of them well known to the government.

              The only difference is you don’t know whether I’m an individual over 18 and a citizen of the EU or a sim on a multisim device in Vladivostok. And I think that’s not good.

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                  And your point is? Creating an id check doesn’t increase the potential risk, the government already has all the data.

                  My question is, why do you want underage citizens to use social media platforms that a) have been proven to be damaging to their psychological health b) farm their data and store it far from our control c) don’t add anything to our economy.

                  Care to explain? Because it really fascinates me.

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                2 months ago

                0 posts and 16 comments on lemmy.

                all your comments on lemmy are about justifying government controlled internet by parroting the “protect the children” and “troll farm” stereotypes. Not a credible profile, huh?

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              2 months ago

              Worry not, they’re getting promoted as we speak. That’s the whole point of it: interested malicious parties and useful idiots.

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    2 months ago

    The prime minister has endured years of abuse on the social media platforms he now seeks to regulate.

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      Nobody would go to a political rally by an anonymous dude in a balaclava with a yank or russian accent, but somehow everybody loves to get their opinions molded by random anonymous, possibly paid and farm based, actors on the internet…

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        Nobody would go to a political rally by an anonymous dude in a balaclava with a yank or russian accent

        You would be surprised…

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    It’s kind of an interesting situation because it seems like he’s not in the Epstein files, and while I don’t believe he’s anything but a typical corrupt, opportunistic politician his opportunism is at least left-leaning and not pro-Zionism big tech.

    Sadly this is a rare thing in today’s world, but also a reason why the surveillance tech apparatus hates him so I understand the urge to regulate them, but as usual this is at the expense of our freedom and just self-serving.