Chinese companies are heavily incentivized to use Chinese chips instead of American since Trump blocked trade with China.
China used to parallel import the chips they needed, and even repackage them with more onboard RAM, making more powerful Nvidia solutions available in China than in the rest of the world.
But Trumps behavior towards China made the Chinese government decide to limit the use of American technologies for AI.
There was a point where Nvidia exports to China was basically at a standstill, because China forbade the purchase of a new cut down Nvidia chip made for the Chinese market to circumvent American trade restrictions.
China is building their own complete stack now, replacing everything with Chinese technologies, right from the AI chips to the entire AI software framework.
So not only does Nvidia and other American companies lose hardware sales, the entire stack will be threatened with a Chinese alternative, that will likely compete with American options on the international market in the future. If Cuda loses its current dominance, it will be easier for competitors to take marketshare from Nvidia.
Hopefully this will be good for consumers worldwide.
3.6 27b is probably most powerful/efficient (to size) model out there. Qwen has a history of leveraging deepseek power as well. (deepseek creating small models with Qwen as the base), and Alibaba is main hosting service for deepseek. Alibaba/Qwen in talks to invest in Deepseek, atm.
I would prefer it wasn’t like this, PAX Americana seemed to work quite well for several decades, of course USA served their own interests, but they they also provided a somewhat stable world order with a decent degree of freedom.
Now they have abandoned the ideals of freedom and democracy and international law, to serve their own interests exclusively at immense cost to others, without regard for either law or decency. and of course that is not sustainable to be an ally of.
I think USA will soon find that without allies, their power isn’t so great after all.
For a short période rich fucker were taxed enough. They are still the fact that the grow of capitalist country where sustained by colonized country ressources.
It’ll be good for consumers worldwide. America is not the whole world.
I, for example, am in Canada. We’ve established a bunch of very nice trade deals with China recently, we’re going to end up with access to a bunch of Chinese products that Americans can’t get due to their self-imposed trade war with China.
funny how the news stop talking about the tariffs when it was still going in the us, im guessing continually reporting about trumps tariffs is actually go to hurt the republican plebs and companies. and i notice alot of products are more expensive or stopped being offered online shopping.
specific on tech, remember huwei phones it was all the rage as alternative to google and iphones, and samsungs. and then the compares got scared and lobbied for thier bans.
USA is already losing the tariff war as it undermines the American economy, and hasn’t helped their trade deficits much.
When EU finally decides to put tariffs on American services, because USA continue with their shenanigans, then USA will have a trade deficit for real.
Because the trade deficit on goods is vastly outweighed by the surplus on services.
Even if they have a deficit, it is basically free, because they can pay for it with dollars they print themselves, because the USD is the global reserve currency.
But Trump is ruining that too, since “liberation day” where Trump introduced his tariffs, the use of the USD as a global reserve currency has dropped, some claim by up to 30%
All USA is doing is undermine the power they used to have. Everybody threatened by USA are in talks with each other to increase cooperation.
EU, Canada, Australia, UK, Japan, are making deals to cooperate around USA including on military.
The Gulf countries are now negotiating with China on economy, which will potentially be the end of the petro dollar. And they are looking to Europe especially Ukraine for defense equipment to replace American equipment.
South American countries have been working with China for years, and USA subsidizing Argentina will not change that.
USA is making themselves irrelevant, the Iran war has shown their military is a paper tiger, that cannot protect their allies, and they are pulling key defense equipment out of Japan and South Korea to aid in the Iran war. Making all allies unsure of the value of cooperating with USA. Japan participating in the EU SAFE program is an extremely clear indicator of that.
So whatever USA decides, will have very little bearing on the rest of the world. Because for USA, the train has already left the station, the ship has sailed. The world has lost patience with USA, and are now only idling in their relations with USA, while they all seek to strengthen other relations, for both financial stability and military safety.
I dont know how much of this is sensationalist peddle, but there’s a barely disguised advert for entrepreneurs by a YouTube channel called Statrys that mentions China’s plan to destroy the competition by doing what a dictatorship not held back by bureaucracy does best; investing fucktons of money into the industries. Link
IDK about destroying the competition, but investing a fuckton of money on education research and infrastructure is what they’ve done for 50 years, originally to catch up, now to gain technological independence from USA limiting their access to technologies like AASML despite it’s a Dutch company, and even limiting their ability to use TSMC manufacturing despite it’s a Taiwanese company.
There is no doubt that to achieve a self sustained economy, China needs to be competitive in ALL areas, otherwise USA will use it to hold them back.
Chinese companies are heavily incentivized to use Chinese chips instead of American since Trump blocked trade with China.
China used to parallel import the chips they needed, and even repackage them with more onboard RAM, making more powerful Nvidia solutions available in China than in the rest of the world.
But Trumps behavior towards China made the Chinese government decide to limit the use of American technologies for AI.
There was a point where Nvidia exports to China was basically at a standstill, because China forbade the purchase of a new cut down Nvidia chip made for the Chinese market to circumvent American trade restrictions.
China is building their own complete stack now, replacing everything with Chinese technologies, right from the AI chips to the entire AI software framework.
So not only does Nvidia and other American companies lose hardware sales, the entire stack will be threatened with a Chinese alternative, that will likely compete with American options on the international market in the future. If Cuda loses its current dominance, it will be easier for competitors to take marketshare from Nvidia.
Hopefully this will be good for consumers worldwide.
Qwen is already the standard for actual pros as far as I can tell.
Been using Qwen 3.x for a while now for local LLM with search capability. The 3.5 and 3.6 ones are great and run very fast.
Qwen 3.6 is already out? Damn, I swear I switched to 3.5 not even a month ago.
3.6 27b is probably most powerful/efficient (to size) model out there. Qwen has a history of leveraging deepseek power as well. (deepseek creating small models with Qwen as the base), and Alibaba is main hosting service for deepseek. Alibaba/Qwen in talks to invest in Deepseek, atm.
Yeah. The 80b Coder-Next runs at about the same speed on my hw too. I don’t know if it’s any better than 3.6 27b.
Please do i can’t be so wet. European are eager to ditch Americans. In the long run Chinese seem to a be a more reliable partner
I would prefer it wasn’t like this, PAX Americana seemed to work quite well for several decades, of course USA served their own interests, but they they also provided a somewhat stable world order with a decent degree of freedom.
Now they have abandoned the ideals of freedom and democracy and international law, to serve their own interests exclusively at immense cost to others, without regard for either law or decency. and of course that is not sustainable to be an ally of.
I think USA will soon find that without allies, their power isn’t so great after all.
You are talking about freedom and peace, but only for the global north.
It wasn’t like that for rest of the world.
They were infiltrated by Epstein classes assets and a t fucked the system. At this time look at the tax rate of these deep fucks.
I think its chicken or the egg with the us government and dirty money scubags
For a short période rich fucker were taxed enough. They are still the fact that the grow of capitalist country where sustained by colonized country ressources.
Until America decides to tariff anyone using Chinese technology.
It’ll be good for consumers worldwide. America is not the whole world.
I, for example, am in Canada. We’ve established a bunch of very nice trade deals with China recently, we’re going to end up with access to a bunch of Chinese products that Americans can’t get due to their self-imposed trade war with China.
funny how the news stop talking about the tariffs when it was still going in the us, im guessing continually reporting about trumps tariffs is actually go to hurt the republican plebs and companies. and i notice alot of products are more expensive or stopped being offered online shopping.
America already decides to tariff countries regardless of what they’re doing
specific on tech, remember huwei phones it was all the rage as alternative to google and iphones, and samsungs. and then the compares got scared and lobbied for thier bans.
USA is already losing the tariff war as it undermines the American economy, and hasn’t helped their trade deficits much.
When EU finally decides to put tariffs on American services, because USA continue with their shenanigans, then USA will have a trade deficit for real.
Because the trade deficit on goods is vastly outweighed by the surplus on services.
Even if they have a deficit, it is basically free, because they can pay for it with dollars they print themselves, because the USD is the global reserve currency.
But Trump is ruining that too, since “liberation day” where Trump introduced his tariffs, the use of the USD as a global reserve currency has dropped, some claim by up to 30%
All USA is doing is undermine the power they used to have. Everybody threatened by USA are in talks with each other to increase cooperation.
EU, Canada, Australia, UK, Japan, are making deals to cooperate around USA including on military.
The Gulf countries are now negotiating with China on economy, which will potentially be the end of the petro dollar. And they are looking to Europe especially Ukraine for defense equipment to replace American equipment.
South American countries have been working with China for years, and USA subsidizing Argentina will not change that.
USA is making themselves irrelevant, the Iran war has shown their military is a paper tiger, that cannot protect their allies, and they are pulling key defense equipment out of Japan and South Korea to aid in the Iran war. Making all allies unsure of the value of cooperating with USA. Japan participating in the EU SAFE program is an extremely clear indicator of that.
So whatever USA decides, will have very little bearing on the rest of the world. Because for USA, the train has already left the station, the ship has sailed. The world has lost patience with USA, and are now only idling in their relations with USA, while they all seek to strengthen other relations, for both financial stability and military safety.
US tariffs hold no power anymore these days.
I dont know how much of this is sensationalist peddle, but there’s a barely disguised advert for entrepreneurs by a YouTube channel called Statrys that mentions China’s plan to destroy the competition by doing what a dictatorship not held back by bureaucracy does best; investing fucktons of money into the industries. Link
IDK about destroying the competition, but investing a fuckton of money on education research and infrastructure is what they’ve done for 50 years, originally to catch up, now to gain technological independence from USA limiting their access to technologies like AASML despite it’s a Dutch company, and even limiting their ability to use TSMC manufacturing despite it’s a Taiwanese company.
There is no doubt that to achieve a self sustained economy, China needs to be competitive in ALL areas, otherwise USA will use it to hold them back.