EV drivers have realized this over 10 years ago. It’s the ICE and fossil industries that are trying to delay everyone else from realizing the same. They want as much of your money as they can get before you realize EVs are better.
Thats absolutley true, but I live in an apartment complex that wont even fix the elevators, there’s no way in hell I’d ever be able to charge at home and for that reason… I can never have an EV.
Top gear surprisingly had good insight here. They compared ice engines to a mechanical watch. Sure it’s beautiful and technically tells the time and you can respect the engineering but with ev it’s more like respecting the construction for why it is rather than the future of transportation
I’m guessing that was post-Clarkson TG?
I think hybrid is still better rather going fully electric.
In a PHEV, you have the option with the touch of a button. EV mode is so smooth you end up wishing you never had to switch to hybrid mode.
Sadly, though, that VW has not much to offer in that area…
Not long time ago the ceos of european companies said that evs are just conceit
The only problem I’ve had with the EVs we’ve been leasing for 5 years now, is unsolicited criticism from EV haters. They seem to ignore the fact that I’ve been driving various diesel and petrol vehicles for decades. If my own lived experience of EVs was less rewarding than my previous ICE ownership I’d switch back. It’s not like a football team that I’m wedded to. They’re just generally better cars in terms of driving, torque, maintenance, cost to run and basically every metric that matters to me as a driver. Quite why that annoys people who in many cases have never even been behind the wheel of one is beyond me.
They are better if you own a house. Otherwise charging becomes a much larger issue. The cost of fast charging at a public charger isn’t any cheaper than filling a gas tank and takes a lot longer with fewer options.
I’m also worried about battery lifespan. My gamily has had 2 hybrids, and both became standard ICE cars because the batteries failed and cost more than the cars are worth to replace. I drive about 35,000 miles a year, and need something that will last. I bought a used 2005 F150 that now has almost 600,000 miles on it with the original engine, and if it does have a failire, I can buy a new engine for about $3500, whereas an EV battery costs 15-20 grand.
Battery lifespan is great, don’t buy into Republican talking points.
It is a valid point. I have a coworker whose wife has a Tesla. They recently moved but had been searching for a place for about 6 months. Luckily, their previous place allowed them to sign a month-to-month lease while they searched.
They found a nice rental home with a garage that was wired for 240v (yes we’re in the US) and signed the lease. Only for them to find out the 240v outlet wouldn’t work because someone had stole the wiring. Landlord won’t fix it, so they have to use the slow Level 1 charger. She now cannot use the vehicle for work related trips without using a public charging station because of the distance.
Ehh, I feel like a lot of people in here are arguing just for the sake of it, and because the guy who said this is from a car company.
Yes, of course electric cars are better than cars burning fossil fuels. EVs being too expensive, too few buttons and too many touch screens has nothing to do with that. The same goes for the also obvious fact, that we should focus more on public transport because it is much more efficient in moving people around than cars.
Public transport is never going to take off in America. It’s too vast.
Make it illegal to include touch screens, tracking, no buttons and no handles. Then I’ll consider getting a loan for one 🤷♂️
The gas powered cars have all that now too though. That’s not just an ev thing
We at least have the option of buying an older ICE vehicle that doesn’t include that nonsense. Although yes, that will likely come with higher maintenance and repair costs due to the age.
Either way, the telemetry issue needs to end on vehicles entirely.
You know, that 20000-30000 premium over ICEs does buy a lot of gas over lifetime. And I’d rather not rent computers on wheels which depend on random clouds.
that 20000-30000 premium over ICEs
What currency are you using for this comparison? Definitely not USD.
A Tesla Model 3 runs for about $40k. A Camry runs for about $35k. Or if we want to go down market a Nissan Leaf is about $30k and probably comparable to a $25k Sentra.
Similar trim levels of vehicles offered as both EV and gasoline powered show minimal difference. Compare the Ford F-150 Lariat in both the gasoline ($75k) and the EV versions ($79k). Or the new Lexus ES, where the EV ($49k) is actually cheaper than the hybrid ($51k).
And if you go into the used market, EVs are starting to hit that market in real numbers, too. Plenty of options for under $20,000, and a handful of options for under $10,000.
Cars are expensive. EVs generally are close to that already expensive price.
New ICE cars are just as much computers as EV’s are.
And mind me asking where you live where they are 20-30k higher?
Must be comparing Hyundais to Lucids.
I guess we’re stuck with buying old ICE cars then
I thought you meant the ICEstapo and I was like “yeah, you’re almost magnitude of order off what they get paid”
Only inbreds hate EVs.
Normal people simply hate tesla.
They say this whilst trying their best to make EVs the printers of the car industry. Update? The car stops and bricks itself for the duration of it. Want basic features? You have to pay a monthly subscription for the car you already payed for. Need it repaired? Have to bring it to a dealership with criminal prices because every part is serialized and they have you by the balls. Need a new battery after it kicks the bucket in 4-5 years? Expect to pay $10-20k for a new one. Oh and of course the center terminal/tablet is now crucial for the cars function, so anytime that malfunction it bricks itself again. Oh and it will always track and spy on you with GPS and onboard cameras and microphones.
They are trying their best to hold on to their customers. I read somewhere that ICE vehicles need lots of parts routinely changed (oil, filters, seals, belts, rollers, spark plugs, exhaust pipes, etc.), and that’s where the money is.
Also cars are getting lots of electronics regardless of propulsion type. EU needs them to include SOS system, lane assist, road sign recognition…
Sorry, but what about that is specific to EVs? Nothing you mention is specific to EVs, but applies to all new cars. Except for your unwarranted fearmongering about the battery. Basically every car manufacturer offers a 8 year warranty on the battery, so you can assume that they last longer than that.
I don’t have any of that with my EV, certainly no subscription stuff, nor overcharging for service, because a service is significantly easier
Not to any degree different from in ICE vehicle
You’re just spouting shit
I agree but realistically the only electric car you’re getting without any of that is a Lunar Rover.
Unless the (public) charging infrastructure gets expanded massively, EVs won’t become a valid alternative to most people. Not everyone owns a house where you can just slap your own wallbox onto it.
Varies a lot by area. For example the city of Portland has about 55% of residents in single detached houses (not apartments).
This is more of a USA problem with their 120VAC grid.
Most people can charge their car enough overnight (or even every few days) enough to cover their daily commutes.Europe is covered. I’ve done the whole continent with zero planning, just ABRP (A Better Route Planer).
Is coverage where you are that bad?
It’s a different scenario altogether if you are travelling. What I mean, is for every-day things, like commuting to work. In my locality, there are no public chargers available. And I can’t charge at work, either. There are two charging stations available at my supermarket, but those two are definitely not enough and you can’t roll the dice everytime you go to the supermarket hoping thay one spot is available. And that’s not just where I live. There are still a lot of places in germany which face the same issues. Sure, it’s getting better generally speaking every year, but right now an EV is not a viable alternative to an ICE car for everyone.
I owned an EV for 3 years while living in an apartment without charging possibilities. It’s really not that big of a deal (in Munich at least).
They need to make a law so apartments need to provide standard plugs for at least slow chargers. At a nominal cost.
The wiring is already there.
People aren’t going to realize EV’s are better until the can actually afford one.
Also, maybe one day America will get their heads out of their ass and realize that public transportation is better EV’s.
its the greedy domestic overpriced ev companies that are lobbying to block foreign ev competition.
You can get an EV for about 5k nowadays.
Agree on the public transportation, tho.
In America??
