Which is your preferred messaging app? I just want some insights about these two.
You may share other messaging apps too.
Completely different use cases.
Matrix is shared interest groups.
Signal is for personal communication.
Matrix is open source and federated, end of the story.
I prefer matrix for two main reasons:
- I can host my own server (and I do)
- It’s not centralized
As a bonus it has briddes for almost anything you can think of, so I use the signal bridge.
Only because nobody answered with this one:
IRC
Decentralized and an open protocol. Client setup to connect is not so straightforward, but it’s a one and done. Very robust.
I’m allergic to centralized communication schemes, though I do use signal to communicate with one person.
I want to research some of the other suggestions that have been brought up, so thank you for the post!
That’s new to me. Thanks!
Lmfao that’s funny, IRC is the oldest of them all.
Simplex
- If you have a targeted group/peer need then whatever they are using or whatever you all decide right in the beginning - I’d suggest Matrix or some other decentralised alternative, definitely not Signal.
- Matrix had the huge opportunity to be “the messaging app” but they neither became good at corporate usage and definitely ended up sucking at personal usage. They started doing too many things, at once, and while completely ignoring the individual user.
- If you want a wider general acceptance then sadly Matrix is DoA. WhatsApp becomes a huge choice outside USA and China but it has started becoming shittier by the day and looking at who has become WhatsApp’s global head now, I don’t think it’s gonna get any better (check his last “app” or company’s screenshots and come here if you don’t end up vomiting). So Signal or maybe some other similar app. You are limited by societal trends and acceptance here, not the tech or finesse or privacy of an app.
- If you just want privacy and a simpler app, proven (at least so far), then well Signal it is, as much as I hate it for reasons they decided to make it a centralised messaging app and then stuffed crypto in it etc.
- If you have a targeted group/peer need then whatever they are using or whatever you all decide right in the beginning - I’d suggest Matrix or some other decentralised alternative, definitely not Signal.
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I use both signal and matrix.
Cool! Thanks.
I don’t use either, bcz I use simplex in my personal life. It is really quite great!
Currently me and my friend are using a self-hosted server with Matrix, and Sable as a client.
Sable is the only one with Discord-like functions out of all the clients I’ve tried, all the others falling very short.
Besides that there is Fluxer, which is far more feature complete than any Matrix client. It has some key features holding it back, though, which are no Federation yet, and no E2E encryption yet. But otherwise setting up your own fully functional server is incredibly easily.
Matrix is nice but it’s clear they’re appeasing more towards shareholders than the community, self-hosting via Docker Compose was a PIA as there are 4-5 services that need to talk to one another.
Matrix is only really enjoyable with unencrypted chats.
I have fairly recently switched phones. Now, a good number of older messenges fail to decrypt. Even when I don’t switch devices, a group chat for a three day long event with a very small group already gave us lots of fun decryption errors. Oh, and I have this other fun group chat where Fluffy Chat constantly reminds me that people whose devices I haven’t verified will be able to read my messenges every time I send something. Also, Matrix has coutless clients with different feature sets and I heard calls are a pain to ßet up.
Signal, on the other hand, just works. Federation and decentralization is obviously nice but a functional product is more importmant. I haven’t had a chance to try XMPP unfortunately.
You should be able to decrypt the messages if you still have the old device to verify the new connection, or if you saved the encryption key that’s setup when you first login to the account.
Appreciate it’s not as simple as logging in, because that’s the point of separating the encryption key from login creds in the first place. Even if your accounts credentials are compromised, previous messages aren’t, and any future messages from the unverified device are flagged as suspicious.
XMPP has some good options. I tried utilising mov.im servers, which claims to have E2EE.(using conversations app to connect) Its very user friendly and just works. Though, I’m not sure how the encryption works on there as I’d already got my users used to element, and saw no reason to move (IMO its still a better option than signal due to the self hosting capabilities, but depends on what level of solution you’re after)
Don’t you have your encryption key saved somewhere?
I prefer SecureBit Chat . No account, P2P, EE2E, Quantum resistent.
@Zerush funktioniert securebit.chat schnell und zuverlässig 24/7 ?
Ich glaub schon, gibts schon seit 10 Jahren.
@Zerush na ja ich meinte mehr in der Praxis… denn da ist reines P2P ja oft ein wenig träge.
Deshalb bin ich Fan von hybrid Systemen… Delta Chat ist so eins… hier existiert der Account auch nur auf den Endgeräten und auch die Posts verbleiben am Ende ausschließlich dort aber zum Transport und als Zwischenspeicher gibt es wie bei Email noch Server… bei Delta Chat nennen wir Sie Chatmailrelays
Für seinen Account kann man nun diese Chatmailrelays aber mit zwei Klicks wechseln so das keine Abhängigkeiten zu einem bestimmten Relay bestehen. Das funktioniert in der Praxis sehr gut und erfüllt im Gebrauch die Erwartungen an die man von WA & Co gewohnt ist.
Alles gültig solange es nicht WhatsCrap oder ähnlicher Müll ist, da ziehe ich sogar noch die althergebrachte SMS vor oder das vorsintflutige Finger Protokoll (funktioniert komischerweise immer noch)
Do you want it to be so complicated that no one you know in real life is able to use it for more than two weeks before they make some kind of mistake or change that deletes their entire message history and identity? Matrix
Do you want a slim chance that friends and family might use it, but you have to listen to privacy nutjobs tell you your app is a CIA NSA PsyOp and you might as well cc: potus(at)whitehouse(dot)gov all your messages, it’s run by an american non-profit obviously it can’t be trusted? Signal
This is how I explained Matrix to my mom: its like an email address, but for chat. You can chat at me, even if we aren’t using the same server, like someone can send an email from Gmail to Hotmail. She got set up and promptly went back to texting me every dang time.
XMPP is the standard messaging protocol. I recommend Conversations for android, but of course any worthwhile protocol has multiple independent frontends.
Matrix is so resource hungry compared to XMPP
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