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    • epidemian@lemmy.ml
      146·
      8 months ago

      It’s a one-time error the maintainer made 3 years ago (at a time when much of the US-influenced west was going crazy with polarization over the use of pronouns), not a consistent behavior of intolerance as one would expect given the level of hostility towards the project seen here. I personally find it weirder to hold such a long-standing grudge for a one-off error, and over a project one is not even personally involved with.

      • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
        5·
        8 months ago

        at a time when much of the US-influenced west was going crazy with polarization over the use of pronouns

        lmao, speak for yourself. The anti-pronoun crazies have always been fringe, and their message has always been hateful and sexist.

        When someone tells me who they are, I believe them. I’m seeing no evidence that anything has changed in 3 years.

        • epidemian@lemmy.ml
          1·
          8 months ago

          IDK what you mean with “speak for yourself” (don’t we always speak for ourselves? :S)

          Just to clarify, i think it’s better to use gender-neutral pronouns when gender is irrelevant, or unknown. And it’s easy! I’ve been doing so writing on English online forums since more 2 decades ago.

          But i don’t think it’s reasonable to get mad at someone, or even attack them, for using male pronouns instead of gender-neutral ones. It doesn’t say anything about the person being sexist or hateful. The veeery vast majority of people who do this do it out of ignorance rather than malice. And attacking someone for something they don’t even consider as a moral choice —like referring to a generic programmer a “he” instead of “they”— does nothing positive for this world, on the contrary.

    • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
      6·
      8 months ago

      Like i said earlier, it was changed to they later, to the lead dev, in german they/them is a neopronoun, and “he” is gender neutral is those situations, i assume he thought it was the same in english

      • TechnicallyColors@lemm.eeEnglish
        21·
        8 months ago

        I don’t understand how a German grammar situation would elicit the response from the PR. Are gender neutral pronouns “political” in Germany? Why did the dev say “personal politics” specifically?

        • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
          3·
          8 months ago

          Are gender neutral pronouns “political” in Germany?

          Yeah, (like in french) male pronouns ARE the gender neutral option, and using they/them would be like using xim/xer in english

          • TechnicallyColors@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            8 months ago

            So doesn’t that still mean that they think gender-neutral pronouns are political, i.e. they don’t accept them? I’ve also noticed the dev in question is Swedish, so I’m not sure where German language quirks came from?

            • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
              2·
              8 months ago

              Well, yeah, but in gendered languages every common noun has a gender, and gender neutral pronouns are very very new, especially 3 years ago, so even most people in those lgbtq communities use male pronouns as gender neutral.

              Tldr: yeah, but its like the tiniest deal ever

              Edit: wanted to add that in gendered languages using gender neutral instead of male pronouns when referring to the user in the app would be wierd

      • TechnicallyColors@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        8 months ago

        That’s why I didn’t say “transphobia” anywhere in my comment. Real weird vibes is what I’m personally sticking with until I see more. The ‘transphobic’ and ‘misogynist’ claims are a leap without further evidence, but there’s a very strong clue about the type of person someone is when they say pronouns are “political”.