No better time than now to degoogle your life.
And…move to iOS? The even more locked down platform? What solution are you proposing here?
You can degoogle on Android you know. Takes some effort, but the end result is better than moving into a walled garden.
You can degoogle on Android you know.
Not if the app doesn’t work outside of Google’s app store, you can’t…?
Apps that don’t work are usually the worst privacy offenders lol
People will need to make a choice, corpos won’t make it easier for the slave
Those are really quite rare. Most have workarounds these days or just work outright.
If a phone can’t be flashed to a different OS, then it can be degoogled with adb via pc, or Shizuku + Canta directly on the phone. There are other apps besides Canta that also work, but Canta is the easiest for non-techies to use.
Never buy an Apple product if you value sovereignty. Androids can be tweaked to cut out big brother.
I agree but I don’t understand what this has to do with the OP.
Google is overreaching, yet again. That’s the gist of it. They want to be a monopoly. Better to get out now, than to wait until they’re so engrained in our lives that they become a shadow government. Our best short-term fix is to break up the company like we did to AT&T. Our best long-term fix is to erraticate money and corporate influence from politics entirely.
Better to get out now
And again I ask, and go where? Your choices for mobile OSs are:
- Apple
Choose Google and there’s no way around this issue. Choose Apple and you’ve locked yourself into an even more closed ecosystem.
Than to wait until they’re so engrained in our lives that they become a shadow government
Far too late for that, I’m afraid…
There are more options, you just have to look. GrapheneOS, LineageOS, CalyxOS, DivestOS, /e/OS… Android is not synonymous with Google. Android is open source. All the OSs I’ve listed are based off of Android, and are open source. Google has their own version of Android, which is closed source. But it’s just another OS based off of AOSP.
GrapheneOS, LineageOS, CalyxOS, DivestOS, /e/OS
These are all various forks of #1, and thus subject to the same issue.
You asked how to degoogle
Context, my friend.
And…move to iOS? The even more locked down platform? What solution are you proposing here?
Is there an echo in here?
Something AOSP like Lineage OS
You can install MicroG if you need play compatibility
That will not solve the problem in OP…
No play store no problems
Except there is a problem because you can no longer download apps from outside the Play Store. That’s what it says in the OP.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills…
Well that’s an easy fix. I just won’t use those apps.
So no banking apps for you? I agree that this is shit, but pretending we are not hit by this is not helping.
Also, I don’t really use banking apps anyway because they already pull similar shit and I can get around it. For now.
With banking apps in particular this lock down is ultra-stupid.
Like, I have to use your super secure app, or I can just… visit your page in a web browser running on god-knows-what with whatever extensions in any computing environment or OS of my choosing? But not using Google Play is where they draw the line.
Is there any reason anyone would want to use an out of date banking app?
I don’t know what you mean by that. Do you mean you rather use google pay?
I’ve never needed Google Pay because my banking apps are really good
I can’t think of any reason not to update them
Oh! With “get around it” I meant cash, not outdated software.
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You do you
Correct. I’ve never used banking apps in the first place anyway. If my bank doesnt have a functional website then I would change banks.
And i say this not to be difficult or contrarian. I just really hate using apps for every business in existence and simply refuse to do so. Yes I have absolutely sacrificed convenience on many occasions due to this principal.
Very good. I don’t like using apps for every little shitty website like discord or WebEx either.
Just know that this is a step forward in the direction of making it technically possible to force people to usw the app. Ask yourself if you trust them to not try and profit from this.
Just know that this is a step forward in the direction of making it technically possible to force people to usw the app.
I disagree. There is nothing stopping that as it is. What this really does is remove one more level of control from the end user on their device.
Ask yourself if you trust them to not try and profit from this.
Im not sure what you are getting at here. Of course i don’t trust “them”. Nor do i trust any corp. It’s those reasons among others why i have completely removed google from my computing life and almost exclusively use open source software as well as self host functionally all network services.
I disagree. There is nothing stopping that as it is. What this really does is remove one more level of control from the end user on their device.
That is exactly what I meant with that. Less control for you means more control for the banks/app creators.
I myself also want to let go of the likes of Google. It’s a pretty bumpy ride, but better than a future where the Tech Bros are in control.
Honest question though: what are you using banking apps for?
On the rare occasion I need to actually interact with my bank, I log in using the browser.
There are, unfortunately, some features banks make mobile app exclusive (e.g. Zelle sometimes, check deposit).
I have a spare phone I keep in my drawer for when I really need a banking app.
My bank doesn’t have a web browser interaction ;(
WTF
I found the problem
I don’t.
I’ve seen people pay with something like that, but mostly it’s like an electronic checkbook. But yeah, browser is sufficient.
Banking on the phone is absurd concept that I will never use
Let’s hope we don’t have to.
What if I sideload purely to downgrade a bugged app? Just seems like yet another kick in the teeth by Google.
Google’s only providing the option, it’s up to individual devs to enable it on their app. If the app developer has chosen to block sideloading, then they probably have a reason for going out of their way to do so. Whatever you find that reason to be should inform your decision whether or not to continue using their app.
Their reasons mean nothing. It’s my device. I shouldn’t have to worry about an application installed on my device being policed because the developer got a hair up their ass about people downgrading.
The phrase “more secure” is becoming meaningless as it keeps being used as a blanket excuse for literally every user hostile change.
Sure, it’s your device. But it’s their app. Ultimately, it’s the developer’s call to make. You don’t have to use their app.
unless you are forced to use it, by government, employer, or such
Well then you know where to install it from.
from google play? on my degoogled phone?
Sounds like you’re using a phone that doesn’t meet the requirements specified by your employer. Might I suggest asking them for a company phone?
Sounds like the app developer does not want to support you as a user. You should take it up with devs that do this if that’s a concern.
We can still use their app with a little help from my reverse engineering tools.
Hopefully they don’t do online attestation
Cool, sounds like it ain’t a problem for you then. As I imagine it’s not a problem for most people.
Explain to me what would be the good reasons McDonald’s has to block their app from running on a rooted device because it doesn’t pass SafetyNet or whatever Google is calling it now
Because it is spyware?
Why would I explain something that has nothing to do with this discussion? This has nothing to do with rooted devices.
BOOOOO!
YOUR DECISIONS ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.
google, not op
they’ll just wipe their tears each with anotherbank note.
you know what we need to do? to cook them alive on the public square!
no, not directly because of this. it’s been long overdue.
Aw shit, it says this is supposed to detect when an app’s binary has been tampered with… That means it’s probably gonna be used to block stuff like ReVanced. I hope they can find a way around this that doesn’t require root.
Nah, revanced will just patch that out too!
time to demand apps in other repositories. Bonus if it’s f-droid compatible
The whole tech world saw Microsoft Palladium as a nightmare scenario, but was quiet ten years later when Apple and Google did the same thing to our phones. That was a mistake.
Maybe everyone was just OK with mobile devices being locked down heavily from the start, and now it’s more or less the same level for most
We had several years of Android that mostly wasn’t. Now it’s hard work to get Android that isn’t.
idk tbh, SafetyNet / Play Integrity have existed for a while
Since 2014, but Android had already been out for six years at that point.
Can we also sue Google for the same shit as apple? Sideloading isn’t enough.
This is the individual app’s fault and not Googles. It’s like getting mad at Steam for allowing apps with DRM. Is feature is entirely optional and requires extra effort to implement.
Also didn’t Google already get sued in the USA for Android not being open enough or something like that.
Google Play IS my “sideloading” app repository.
Some paid apps actually prevents the user from using it if it’s not paid from Google play
Are you suggesting such an app can be purchased outside Google play but not used?
Having an app check a license server isn’t exactly new. Google play is simply a third party license server.
No, but you can download the APKs anyways. Which is most likely exactly why this is being implemented. I doubt many developers of free apps are going to turn this feature on.
Yes they will. This tool would force users to always use the Play Store which would increase the download count on their app, which would help its ranking in the Play Store. Every last single developer is incentivized to use this.
On the other hand though, the amount of people who sideload free apps is very small because that’s only really interesting for people with degoogled smartphones.
The App Lounge from /e/OS has access to the play store if you choose to log in to Google. It is possible (but not recommended because of a possible ban) to purchase stuff, I haven’t done that yet, but some apps want to talk to Google to see if it was purchased and that gives an error.
For example, Wavelet can’t unlock paid status, All-In-One Calculator gives the option to link an email so it can restore paid status, Nova Launcher uses a different app to restore paid status so it works as well.
Kinda makes sense. A paid app on Google Play is a license to download the .apk file(s). Then a user could make copies, and without DRM, it’d be the same situation as with copyrighted movies and whatnot.
I’m not saying I support them, it’s just that they are like this for a reason
How are those Linux phones coming along?
Google Pixel
Still stuck with Android though, and with Google in control of that it won’t be great forever
I’ve disabled what I can while I wait for my carrier to unlock it. Graphene awaits.
when will this shit be cracked.
That’s fine I rarely download apps that want to be on the Play store anyway
