• EABOD25@lemm.ee
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    7 days ago

    People are neither inherently selfish or inherently generous. People are survivors regardless of what is necessary to do so. A human will give the shirt off his back to his neighbor but will spite a customer service worker because they’re in a bad mood or feel slighted. Your tribe is your most important social aspect

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      7 days ago

      But it is that selfishness that communism can’t control for and that capitalism only dampens the effect of. You need a system that counteracts those selfish tendencies in order to reach lasting stability.

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        ‘A system that counteracts those selfish tendencies’ you mean a system in which:

        • housing is not controlled by companies with no moral incentive to keep them liveable and affordable?
        • people don’t learn from a young age that their value is directly connected to their willingness to fuck people over for money?
        • there is no monetary incentive to create artificial deficits in essential goods like housing and food?
        • the whole economy is not based on ‘cheap labour’ and the illegal extraction of minerals from other countries?
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        6 days ago

        I agree with this. Communist like systems where there is central control of resources encourages corruption as people vie to get closer to the central control of the resources. Capitalism is just more honest about the fact that many people - not all of them - are fundamentally self-interested and entices them into cooperation with others by offering the carrot of individual rewards. Those are probably the same people that would try to exploit the system if it were more centrally controlled.

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          Communist like systems where there is central control of resources encourages corruption as people vie to get closer to the central control of the resources

          Communists advocate for immediate recall elections, and units forming syndicates that send delegates. Communism is designed against corruption.

          Capitalism is just more honest about the fact that many people - not all of them - are fundamentally self-interested and entices them into cooperation with others by offering the carrot of individual rewards

          Capitalism isn’t honest nor deceitful, it’s just a Mode of Production. Capitalism doesn’t have a face or a will.

          Those are probably the same people that would try to exploit the system if it were more centrally controlled.

          What’s considered natural depends on the Material Conditions, ie the Mode of Production. Capitalism reinforces greed by rewarding it systematically, Communism and Socialism do not.