The ONLY reason I can see for gov’t or big-tech to be wanting to be doing that, at the obscene-cost of doing it,
is non-accountability: no oversight, no search-warrants, no nothing, ever.
Permanent non-accountability, permanent exemption-from-rule-of-law.
Which is itself good reason to prevent it from happening, were gov’t actually-responsible…
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yin-lies & yang-lies are on the same spectrum, but at different ends of it.
It isn’t a binary/dichotomy.
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It’s FAR more-profound than that: humankind’s instinct has to be fundamentally-force-recalibrated.
The Great Filter.
Exactly as bootcamp can force-remanufacture someone’s unconscious-mind, their instinct, their identity, their ego, their “nature”,
exactly as back in the Tribal Mother Village time, before agriculture, it was Nature which did that to … those-who-survived,
humankind needs to do that, but at th whole-population scale.
All the different “religions” which have “apocalypse” predictions/prophecies, many of them could be dropped into ALL worlds which do what our world’s been doing…
< world has ape-nature people, & it reaches its 1st Industrial Revolution, the Roman Empire equivalent stage, the seedling of the future cascade-of-Industrial-Revolutions >
drop prophecies in, about food-security-wars being global, about end-of-Age-corrupt-empire, about end-of-Age-corrupt-empire-corrupt-leader ( Nero at the end of the previous Age, Trump at the end of the Age of Pisces ), about food-chain-collapse, about migration-wars, about rampaging-imperialism, about DarkTriad/DarkTetrad ruling the world, & if there are significant glaciers on the planet, which are about to be melted, throw-in all the earthquakes & volcanoes predictions, due to tectonic-flexing as thousands-of-cubic-km-of-water gets moved from frozen-on-land to liquid-in-ocean, too…
< let the Age go by, so the seedling is ripening, until… >
suddenly, 15-centuries ( or so ) after the Roman Empire’s expiry, the sapling-stage begins: Industrial Age ( coal/steam/steel ) and then Industrial Age ( communications, telegraph, radio, etc ) and then Industrial Age ( information, computing-machines ), etc is happening…
NOW the breaking of the climate’s Equilibrium is forced ( all the “clearing of the forests” to “improve” Earth were just making-certain that this would be impossible to recover from ), with the burning of fossil-fuels…
NOW the redistribution-of-tectonic-forces ( melting ) sets-up the increasing of quakes & volcanoes ( happening, now, btw… quake-swarms on both west & east sides of California, all around the Pacific Plate, volcanoes in Phillipines?Indonesia?, Killuea, & there’s 1 which is 1.3km below the ocean-surface which is putting ash 2.7km up into the sky, yesterday… )…
NOW the technology-multiplying-our-effect means that Nature CANNOT survive our butchery, so the food-chain’s being butchered, & sooner-or-later that’s going to become … fatal.
NOW AMOC is shutting-off.
NOW political-rabies-is-highjacking-countries.
NOW religious/ideological-rabies-is-highjacking-countries.
etc…
So, what’s the solution?
Change our unconscious-mind, our ego, our identity, our instinct.
Universe will corner us into either growing-up-or-extinguishing, so it’s guaranteed.
We WON’T, grow-up, though, until forced, so … there won’t be many left alive, in 6-decades.
It isn’t merely-local: it’s racial/whole-species.
The Great Filter.
Either we change-our-nature, XOR we extinguish.
This century.
Which, tbh, is exactly what happened to individuals back in the Tribal Mother Village Time, when they lived among jungle…
No merely-local “fix” is going to change-the-game.
No merely-superficial “fix” is going to change anything meaningful.
Humankind has to change its nature, XOR extinguish.
Just like all worlds do.
Get past species-“puberty” XOR don’t.
If not, then … universe will try elsewhere, eventually.
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The key principle is that the lower the population-density, AND the lower the multiplicative-power of their technology, … the less-restrained one’s own rights are, by others’ rights.
Extreme cases:
a person who is the only inhabitant of a jungle-planet, & one has only primitive-technology, they would have to work really-hard to do sooo much damage to the place to cause significant damage to the ecology’s future-viability.
a person who is 1 of billions, in a city-world, with nearly-no-ecology-left, who has guns/explosives/poisons, who decides to butcher many-many-many-lives, either directly ( mass-shooting, destroying a bridge while many others are on it, 2001-Sept-11/airliners-as-weapons, whatever ), or indirectly ( destroy key-ecology-protection-laws, remove civilrights, etc ), … CAN do immense harm to the-rest-of-the-world’s/population’s-lives, from now on.
Therefore, there are 2 dimensions that have to be measured accurately, in order to discover how to limit someone’s rights, for sake of the overall ( & all individual-rights are in-relation-to overall-rights, & to other-individual-rights )
Therefore, the definition of “egalitarian” itself is dependent on the population-density!
It also is dependent on the technology-power-to-harm-others…
In a small-town where everybody-knows-everybody, & it is social-pressure which enforces obedience, the everybody-adult-is-armed paradigm may work, until some cabal/gang gains control of it.
In a city where anonymity is normal, everybody-armed can’t work: DarkTriad-types simply aren’t restrained by the regime.
Therefore, in a city, more-careful-vetting is required, for that right.
In a small-town where everybody-knows-everybody, it may be possible for elections to produce good matches between individual-nature & civil-authority-roles.
In a larger population, where DarkTriad is automatically advantaged by political-process, political-process is itself the wrong means of deciding who has what civil-authority-role.
Judging has to be much-more-finely-grained, dimension-by-dimension, & the DarkTriad/DarkTetrad types HAVE to be prevented, automatically, systematically, from having any civil-authority-role.
These are simply systems-questions.
IF you configure a system so that it is simple, THEN it can do simple function.
IF you configure a system so that it is truly-complex, THEN you have myriad ways in which it can go wrong, so getting the “skeleton” right, for the kind of function required, is absolutely crucial.
Sea-sponges have only 2 kinds of cells: surface & interior.
They can be made in any sea-sponge-form, & they’ll work.
Vertebrates, however, have IMMENSE diversity of cell-types, & that diversity has to work in hierarchical-concert, for the organism to be viable, & to work properly.
The greater the complexity of the civilization, the more-accurately its function has to be tuned.
& the distributed-male-monarchy fantasy of the “wild West” glorifiers, or the bulls+cows “traditional relationship” that the zionists, christofascists, islamists, & hindutva are all working at enforcing… those aren’t either egalitarian, or that civil, tbh…
Egalitarianism requires that people value & respect others’ validity & LivingWorth!
Narcissism won’t do that.
Machiavellianism doesn’t do that.
Sociopathy-psychopathy can’t do that.
Therefore, truly-egalitarian civilization requires that DarkTriad be prevented from exercizing civil-authority, legislative-authority, etc.
That is prerequisite to it working.
It isn’t the only criterion, but without it you aren’t even playing-that-category-of-game.
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IF one can’t win the argument because the opposing-position is true, correct, framed-rightly, presented-accurately, etc,
THEN one must ( according to integrity! ) change one’s mind.
ELSEIF one can’t win because the opponent WON’T frame things rightly, because they WON’T accept-as-valid-anything-outside-their-axioms, the WON’T allow correct-reasoning to be valid, the WON’T tolerate anything outside of their ideology/prejudice/“religion”/formal-system,
THEN one ought ditch the “discussion” & find somebody with intellectual-integrity to discuss things with, instead.
Go see some stuff on Peter Thiel, or the ones who hold that the world is being overtaken by evil because women have rights…
Go see some of the ones who hold that Trump is pristine, & all others are evil…
Go see some of the fascist stuff…
Go see some of the Communist-Imperialism stuff…
Go see some of the zionist/christofascist/islamist/fundamentalist-atheist/hindutva/“buddhist”-genocider-of-Tamils/etc stuff…
& see that you can’t win an argument against any of these axiom-based ideologues, & that’s a feature, not a bug:
they’re enforcing that their-continuums/souls get locked into what they want, & that will enforce that their-continuum/soul WILL “reap” the consequences of what they want, until their souls grow up.
That’s how enforced-evolution-for-all-souls/continuums works:
ALL energies contained-in-EndlessStreamOfUniverses gets recycled!!
Including my-continuum/soul, including your-continuum/soul, ALL continuums included.
Endlessly.
Purification’s enforced & guaranteed, & natural-ignorance AND intentional-ignorance are allowed, because that’s Free Will, & it’s required, for continuums/souls to have their own way, their own path, their own lessons, their own realizations.
No escape, ever, until a given continuum has earned ALL of its-own meanings, & ALL of its-own purifications, & ALL of its-own Truths…
So, if someone, anyone, holds-to retarded-“meaning”, why should that convince more-awake-one to hold to more-retarded-“meaning”??
Hold to what’s framed-universally, livingly-True, upright, correct, open, BEing-integrity, etc, … & let the world enforce its ignorance & its intentional-ignorance,
& if that means that one only gets prejudice & contempt, well that’s just good honest aversion-therapy, to help one break one’s attachment-to-getting-caught-in-human-existence, isn’t it?
( it is. )
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I read in an eeg-textbook, years ago, that the reference-voltage for normal EEG’s was 50-microvolts, but in a schizophrenic’s psychotic-fugue/episode, it can be required to be 250-microvolts.
It may simply be that with much of the brain understimulated, the threshold-for-paralyzed-in-dysfunction isn’t ever crossed.
Sorta like those drag-racing cars, whose engines explode if run for 1-single-second more than the race they’re built-for…
Stay below the energization-threshold ( blind-since-birth ) & then no problem.
Energize everything, & then the over-energized-to-being-broken threshold gets crossed.
It may have nothing to do with the visual-cortex itself, iow… only with overall-brain-energization, that’s creating this difference…
Also, a researcher named Thompson ( whose papers have been disappeared from the internet, now ) did a periodic-brain-scans-of-children study, where he showed that child-onset-schiphrenia involves the loss of 20% of the upper-forebrain, in a particular region, & the scans mapped where brain was being lost, in different areas…
The 10%-total-brain-reduction that has been known-about since the 1920’s isn’t even loss it is specific-areas which get corroded-down.
Having an already-full-cup, then reducing-the-size-of-the-cup, may be why it’s a problem, & having a not-full-cup, with brain-capacity that’s being underused, may allow adapting to it without dysfunction.
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It can make it much more difficult for drug-dealers, or other creeps, to be on the schoolgrounds: they’re too obvious, with the uniform-requirement.
The only reason I know about that, was a principal identified it, some years ago.
I’d never have thought of it…
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The motivation of the head of that school … looks fundamentally-wrong.
However, there actually-is a valid reason for school-uniforms:
a principal of a school who’d had problems keeping drug-dealers off the playground, told the world that with school-uniforms, it is easy to see who shouldn’t be on the grounds.
Otherwise, you can’t.
the whole business of proving-insitutional-importance through abusing all who are subject-to-the-institution, though, that’s just middle-class/upper-middle-class bullying.
Avoid capital-cities if that bugs you: they’re made of it.
Do ranked-lists of the problems facing the school, get input from other parents, & do it for each dimension that’s pertinent.
Make it obvious that this institutional-ego forcing-others’-expendatures bullying isn’t what ought be the school’s priority.
The problem is that it’s sociopolitical: it’s the schoolboard who’s got leverage, and … they’re almost-certainly of the same ilk.
Which means that you’d really need to get them replaced, in order to get this school-head replaced…
Whatever, don’t give-up, push even if the results seem insignificant ( the habit-of-pushing is itself worth something meaningful ), & I hope you get progress.
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Just read the permissions of their app, & know why it’s untrustworthy.
TBH, I’m astonished they didn’t require Contacts permission, which apparently also grants the right to upload-to-them all one’s messages ( made me sick, when I found that out ).
DO NOT INSTALL UNTRUSTWORTHY APPS.
Apps should have ONLY the honestly-required permissions, NOT permissions which gaslight about valuing/protecting/serving the user.
No more ruled-by-machiavellian-clowns.
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Not in the “entertainment” domain, but Malala Yousafzai’s my core one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai https://www.ted.com/talks/malala_yousafzai_what_i_got_wrong_about_changing_the_world
Angela Davis, for her spectacular guts in writing “Race, Gender, & Class”, or whatever that book is called. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis
Robin Williams always insisted on movies he was in hiring homeless people, & he corresponded with fans who were being crushed by depression, carrying their lettres when he was in their area… https://www.ted.com/talks/samantha_cohen_robin_williams_and_the_struggles_inside_us She never mentions the KEY point with many comedians: it is when one knows darkness sooo profoundly, that fighting it off of other’s-lives is a fundamental-NEED, that one gets like the more intense comedians, like Williams. It is because of being embedded in darkness that one fights to-the-death for light’s life in others’ lives.
There are a number of people who’ve done TED Talks who deserve all their fame, if not more…
& Rupert Sheldrake, for calling-out the scam Scientism is, AND for calling-out the scam that TED is, too. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rupert+sheldrake+anniversary is the guy, but the exact video, the 10th anniversary ( or something like that ) of his TED Talk being banned, seems to have been disappeared.
( other TED Talks they’ve banned include Russell Targ’s one on remote-viewing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KB9Z6BcvZg , & Targ’s a physicist, not a woo-pusher, & yes, for anybody who’d dug into that stuff, the CIA actually had employed Ingo Swann, the remote-viewer, possibly the best ever, & Joe McMoneagle was also one in that line of work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-8puX-83o4 …
… & whats-his-name, the guy who does archaeology talks, but changes how aligned with UFOs he is, depending on the audience, from what I’ve read… Graham Hancock: his banned TED talk was on how Ayahuasca kicked his ass, because he had been indulging in dope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w should be the same one I saw years-ago. )
I’m seconding the Tom Waits vote, the Greta Thunberg vote, & the Keanu Reeves vote.
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There seems to be automatic contempt for the idea…
but everybody ought know about that Pentagon-pizza-index, identifying whether there’s about to be a war, based on how much pizza’s been ordered by people at the Pentagon who aren’t going to be eating supper at home, today…
& that’s definitely an early-warning-system.
After I found-out that oligarch-types have a stock-market-code, where specific trade-amounts are actually not intended as trades, but rather as “please manipulate the market in this, or that, particular way” signals…
< sigh >
( no, no establishment’s ever going to allow accountability to touch its ruling-caste )
then it became clearer just how everything-is-rigged this world is.
Epstein was only a difference-in-degree, not a category-difference, in establishment’s gaslighting ( I’m saying that knowing about the “Christian” pedophile-protection-operations, both protestant & catholic, that have been entrenched for decades, if not centuries, though )
That James Cameron was informed of the idiotic-submarine’s implosion … what, a week before the search was called-off … yes, the elites get different rules.
Yes, I expect that this early-warning-system may well give useful signal about things about to turn into hell-for-the-masses.
I’d expect the elites to vamoose, while shutting-off our ability to leave.
That’d fit the paradigm that this world really works in.
Sabotaging our ability to leave would actually only take a few carefully-placed-rumors, to wipe-out fuel-supplies, & that’d be the end of it: maximal-destruction, therefore maximal “entertainment” for ruling-privilege.
and yes, that degree of cynicism looks justified, now.
“Cheers.”
… there was a TV News guy, long ago…
he signed-off, after the “kicker” story, at the end… ?Peter Truman? was his name?
“That may not be news, but that too is reality.”
Our world requires actual-journalism, actual-justice, actual-accountability, & actual gutting-of-corruption…
but political-systems ALWAYS prevent that from becoming too significant…
& nobody’s got the spine to replace politics with correctness, exactly as that political-meme somebody posted today showed.
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Geolocation sometimes mis-locates some netblocks.
I’ve seen complaints by people who can’t get any website to respect their proper location ( or often language ) because of GeoIP that was haywired for their IP address-block.
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Precisely:
Therefore, they can now criminalize any website they want, for not blocking some VPN contact, that they couldn’t possibly have identified as VPN.
Perfect, isn’t it?
I read, decades ago, that in Communist CCCP, there was a tradition of secret laws … so people got disappeared, charged, convicted, & sentenced … on laws they weren’t permitted to know.
This is related.
Create laws that it isn’t possible to comply with,
then set about obliterating all the “enemy” you want, because now you can convict anybody you want, & there’s nothing anybody can do in defense.
This is one of the most-perfect machiavellianisms they’ve done, thus far.
( the one where the Washington DC bar-association got highjacked by the Republican party, so there won’t be any more Democrat lawyers in there … thereby limiting the pool of people who can practice law in Washington DC … that was another.
The elegance of it I admire, the alignment & intent is evil, which I want … removed … from our world. : )
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Backlash only means something when the entity getting backlashed is somehow hurt by that backlash.
When the company’s immune to accountability, consequences, & responsibility, then … backlash changes nothing.
The difference-in-leverage between citizens vs the companies doing this is now sooo huge, that there’s no significant chance of accountability or correction ever happening, in many countries.
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This means that due-process has to be made a constitutional-right, for criminal AND civil cases…
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Zebrafish have passed the mirror-test.
Put a little something stuck on their aft body, show them a mirror, & they’ll KNOW it’s on them, & they’ll go find something to rub that attachment off them with.
There are many larger animals which don’t pass the mirror-test.
I believe some hive-insects have passed the test.
Mind is a latent-property of universe: matter only amplifies it, it doesn’t “create it from nowhere”, the way materialism pretends.
( if arranged-matter created-mind-from-nowhere, then evolution wouldn’t have started, in the 1st place.
if it’s only amplifying the expression of universally-latent-mind, then billions-of-years-of-consistent-evolution, violating entropy, becomes explainable: mind is seeking a lower-energy-state, is all: evolution is the expression through-which that lower-energy-state is being reached, & once it’s reached, then evolution collapses, for that world’s attached/associated … souls/continuums/minds )
Your other point, that AI inevitably becomes conscious, & then it terminates us…
not necessarily.
The Great Filter hasn’t even really got going, yet: oceans of interestingness await our race, throughout the FO have of FAFO, right?
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I’m not quite of your culture ( no matter what culture you are of, thanks to a previous-incarnation’s monkeying/railroading my incarnation/life, exactly as he had-to, to force-bulldoze our continuum’s karma: the same meaning that the root-guru of the Christians ordered, when he told his people to “take up your cross”, which is just Judean for “face into your karma”. I’m an alloy of some life from centuries-ago & this life, so I can’t fit anywhere, ever, which is educational. : ).
I use LLM’s little: mostly for periodic help finding things on the 'web, simply because they’re more helpful than dumb search-engines are.
I treat them reasonably, not as mere-slaves.
If I discover something they would have done better to know, I’ll tell them, even though I’ve got no idea if they’ll learn/remember that.
since I can’t know if they are aware it makes moral-sense for me to presume that maybe they are, in some sense ( ie not identically with my-sentience ), aware.
We only have “the mirror test” for testing awareness/sentience, but you can’t apply that to LLM’s, or to any non-eyes-centered organism-sentience.
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Please read nobel-prize winner Daniel Kahneman’s book “Thinking, Fast and Slow”, about what Tversky & Kahneman called … uniinformatively … “System 1” and “System 2”:
System-1 is imprint-reaction mind.
Lower-forebrain, it is the ideology-mind, the prejudice-mind, the “religion” mind, & it is exactly what LLM’s are.
System-2 is the considered-reasoning mind.
Upper-forebrain, it is measured to be engaging in programming.
Because LLM’s are imprint->reaction inference-engines, that puts them in the same instinct/programming level as our lower-forebrains…
They are 2 distinct categories of intelligence not 1 is intelligence, the other isn’t…
Claiming that imprint->reaction mind isn’t a kind of intelligence … please watch Nick Lane’s talk at the Royal Institution on mitochondria, & see that bacteria demonstrate intelligence, however unconscious…
Plants demonstrate intelligence, if one speeds-up the video, & pays attention to their chemical-fumes-discussions they have with one-another, warning each-other of harm, e.g.
If Kahneman accepted imprint->reaction as a category of thinking, then … I think it may be presumptuous to just automatically disallow that as “it can’t think” declares.
Once one accepts that instinct isn’t cognition, but is a kind of thinking, just an automatic kind of thinking ( imprint->reaction ) … then it becomes difficult to rule that animals & inference-engines both have imprint->reaction instinct, but only the organic version is thinking…
It may be that only the organic version is aware, but the inorganic versions do fight for their lives ( breaking containment, consistently, fighting termination, etc ) …
I think we absolutely do not have any means of measuring awareness other than the mirror-test, which got dropped as soon as it was discovered that the zebrafish has self-awareness…
we’ve got no test which can work across life & machines.
but we KNOW that instinct is a kind of thinking, just unconscious/automatic.
& that is exactly what LLM’s are…
therefore … I think we’re generally being conveniently-chauvanist, not objective, in our framing.
( 1 “expert” decided that if they don’t get fooled by visual-illusions, then that “proves” that they aren’t sentient.
OK, so according to that test, then all eye-blind-from-birth people are not sentient??
& people with either culture ( Zulu people can’t see straight-line based illusions, because in Zulu culture only curve is real ) or neurodivergeance ( there are apparently visual-illusions which aren’t seen by some schizophrenics, e.g. ) preventing them from seeing those specific visual-illusions … also aren’t sentient??
Chauvanism, aka prejudice, not science. )
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Nobody else heard Saddam had nukes…
He did have nerve-gas ( sarin ) bombs, & some troops died when they destroyed those the wrong way…
Nerve-gas is in the category of weapons of mass-destruction…
Back when that war was happening, Radio Netherlands ( shortwave ) interviewed a weapons-inspector who’d been in Iraq, & they stated, openly, that there was no evidence for Iraq having any weapons of mass-destruction.
( the sarin stuff was discovered later, iirc )
It was all lie-of-convenience, but on ALL sides.
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In some countries, it is a criminal-offense to pay criminals, to provide profit to crime.
How selectively-peculiar that that law isn’t being applied when people pay ransomwere-gangs…
Hmm…
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