the most effective being the “Scandinavian model” countries which effectively blended large amounts of socialism into a capitalist system

That is absolutely NOT socialism. Like, at all. And if you legitimately think that, I’m genuinely sorry to say that you are quite unclear about what socialism is.

The Nordic countries are absolutely not socialist in any shape or form. They are very much capitalist societies with marginally better welfare systems. Which is not saying a lot considering the average country that leaves every individual to fend off for themselves.

They all have staggering amounts of regulation.

I was being overly simplistic in my original comment I admit. They do have regulations, but know this: “regulations” in a capitalist system are always limited in their scope and are primarily designed to sustain the capitalist system to allow it to perpetrate its profit-first essence. By nature, they are never created with the intent to actually challenge or limit their fundamental exploitative dynamics (think of the 2008 crisis. The banks were bailed out and measures were put in place to stabilize the market. And yet no serious measures were put in place to fundamentally change the market itself or to prevent future exploitations).

I sincerely hope you might use this conversation as an opportunity to read and learn more about Socialist/Marxist theory. I am convinced far more people would agree with it more than they think (especially in these fucked up times) if they’d read more about it

deleted by creator

Oh so now we’re moving the goalpost?

We started with “socialist theory is the problem!” but when pressured, suddenly it’s “well the theory is not really the problem”.

Go figures

I have definitely read enough to not write something as incoherent as

No…not everyone hates capitalism. Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism

and just proving the OP’s post right.

I think you need to read more of the theory.

I truly could not care less about the opinion of someone like you who is defending capitalism with such passion in these comments

You can tell by some of these comments

Which channel specifically are you referring to?

Your comment smells of “enlightened cantrist trying to sound reasonable (but failing at it)”

You clearly have never read anything about it, so I’d be curious to know specifically which part of socialist theory you disagree with.

Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism

Yeah, that’s capitalism. By definition, capitalism demands to be uncontrolled and without rules to bring the most profit. So when you’re done pulling stuff out of thin air, let us know

Not to be that guy, but exactly what kind of conversation are we supposed to have with fascists and people openly calling for an end to both your and my liberties?

Ideas are debatable, but there’s no debating that we all deserve to live and to exist. But I’ve ever only encountered far too many people from the right openly calling for the opposite of that. My own existence to them is offensive and worthy of murder. I want to have no conversation with such people, but you seem to be willing to tolerate that for the sake of “just having a conversation”.

deleted by creator

deleted by creator

It isn’t necessarily my personal view, its what I’ve experienced empirically throughout certain forum based internet spaces

Unless you ran experiments/collected data (in which case, I woul genuinely love to see that) to gather such info, your “empirical” data is just observation-based. In which case, it can be skewed.

I’ve noticed your account is relatively new. So of course if one were to hang out with centrists and/or on Reddit, the average experience would be unbalanced as the typical use of the term tankie would be viewed as “generic insult to a person on the political left”.

But on Lemmy I’ve noticed far more people using the term tankie accurately to describe a specific fringe of the leftist movement. The type of fringe that, for example, still defends the USSR no matter what and is incapable of criticizing authoritarianisms.

Having said all of this…welcome to Lemmy! Lol hope you like it here :)

I see tankie used far more as a pejorative Term for leftists (socialists, communists and or anarchists) than actually being used with any nuance to criticize authoritarian apologia

Your view is incorrect. It can be both. There are people who will absolutely use tankie as a generic insult for “person on the political left”. But it’s also a specific term within leftist movements to criticize specific issues with other leftists (I.e., defending authoritarianism, an either-with-us-or-against-us mentality, unconditional love for the USSR/China, etc)

One can draw parallels between capitalism’s failures and the successes of authoritarian socialist/ communist regimes without praising authoritarianism

This is very true. But, by the latter definition I gave, a tankie would actually not do that. We’re having a conversation that has been had thousands of times before by leftist people about the more radical wings within their communities

One can also condemn authoritarianism while also acknowledging that one form of authoritarianism will be or is worse than another

By definition, one who has that level of nuance, would not be called a tankie. Now, obviously a user can just use the term tankie as a generic insult for “you leftist”, but that’s when nuance comes into play. Sadly, we’re are talking about instances that are very much incapable of such level of nuance.

Those are my thoughts as someone who was literally a member of my country’s communist party and left that same party precisely because of the issues I mentioned within the second definition. And based on my experiences, instances like Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are absolutely that type of tankie.

deleted by creator

No, you’re just an ahole who has no idea about the horrors that one might face in a totalitarian regime and now you’re trying to be edgy and die on a pointless hill with this stupid one liners and ignorant takes. Bye

I am convinced you are just a troll.

You cannot be so dense as not to see that you are making no sense, while still trying to compare apples to oranges despite all the users telling you how insane of a comparison it is.

I refuse to believe anyone can be so insane as to dare say that living under a totalitarian regime can be in any shape or form similar to getting banned from any website

Can we agree on that?

Absolutely fucking not.

Social media companies do not prosecute you in any shape or form. At most the can ban you from using their platforms. That’s it.

Being prosecuted by the government of a country (especially a totalitarian one) is an entirely different matter.

And bless your heart for living such a privileged life that you think those 2 things are even on the same level to begin with

Your username makes a lot of sense after reading such opinion, I’m going to be honest.

Do you sincerely think those 2 things are even remotely comparable?

Be careful agreeing with this post. OP is posting a lot of racist, ableist and bigoted content

Removed by mod

You don’t.

That’s the whole point of Reddit