all states are authoritarian

Not in the same ways. You support dictatorships where workers have no power, nor the means to eventually hold power later down the line. I support neither capitalist regimes nor dictatorships pretending to be socialist.

To get rid of the state, all property needs to be collectivized, which both gets rid of class and the state itself.

Yes.

There’s no “promising to abolish” anything, the state gradually withers away with respect to class withering away as property is sublimated and collectivized.

No marxist can describe how this will happen. The dictators in charge do not have incentives to give away their power, nor are there other mechanisms in place that can bring about socialism. It’s literally just propaganda. Inequality in china is not withering away, there’s just a growing middle class the same way we had a growing middle class in other places where industrialization happened. The state owning and running things does not equate to socialism. It could, if there was democracy of some kind rather than oligarchy supplemented with very minor political participation from a fraction of the population.

I am a Marxist, yes. I became one after engaging with history, theory, logic, and practice. The fact that poor logic and false history doesn’t sway me doesn’t diminish my points. I haven’t seen any ethical arguments being brought up here.

Your auth states commit all the evils of capitalist empires and yet you still defend them. That’s not exactly ethical. Authoritarianism can’t be ethical in practice because of the incentives the people in power have to keep their power, and the things they do to keep it. “Communist” states are far more authoritarian than most liberal democracies, which is why I call them authoritarian. I call you authoritarian because you defend them and wish to implement similar oligarchies/dictatorships elsewhere. This is not to say I like liberalism, just by comparison your system is in many ways worse. Unions are way more suppressed, people are less active politically, and there are no big benefits to make up for it. Genocide is still happening, billionaires are still being produced, freedom of speech is still suppressed, etc. Like yeah we can sit here and compare metrics and see both capitalist and marxist states are doing good and bad in all sorts of different ways. Both systems work to a point. I don’t care. I want actual democracy. I want actual freedom. I want actual socialism, or at least a system which can produce socialism unlike your auth vanguard states.

I will be blocking you after this.

Edit: To me the big mystery is why defend these states? Why aim for vanguard states? Can’t we aim for something better rather than something that has “succeeded”? Why do we have to choose between liberalism and marxism when we can instead try to work towards actual socialism?

The revolution comes, comrade :3

I will not be an enemy of existing socialism or of the working class of those countries.

You already are, auth

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The workers have no meaningful power or ownership over their workplaces, so it doesn’t matter how much is publicly owned. I personally will never accept the marxist redefinition of socialism, nor will I ever accept an authoritarian vanguard state.

I do not want to continue this debate, tankie. It’s never productive for anyone.

They are not socialist in the slightest. That requires the workers to own the means of production, which they do not.

Edit: To expand on this companies are organized the same way as in capitalism because they are capitalist. Workers at the bottom, management in the middle, and rich capitalists at the top.

Love the font!

Edit: Just gonna redact. This is a venting post so my comment is kinda mean in that context

Yeah they didn’t show previous comments (the actually relevant context), just the one where the user bargains.

I understand two of you were mostly behind the move. Perhaps those two should step down and new mods be brought in. Kind of hard to trust you after all this.

Great initiative by @SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Disappointing

Sending this to my practical effects loving friends immediately

No, just the way you phrased everything sounded off and weird. Like it’s so very easy to not care about this issue and you show up and you cast doubt on people for no real reason, calling them disingenuous when you honestly you have no way to know. It was just such a tacked on and accusatory line.

Like yeah these memes if you can even call them that are very specific to this person, but all we have to do is not care and move on.

Imagine if drag is just a bit odd but being sincere, and they receive all these comments on every post about how drag are “fake” and a troll etc. What exactly are you contributing to then? Don’t comment. Move on.

People being annoyed does not justify people harassing someone. If someone thinks neopronouns are weird or annoying on the internet then just don’t engage with them instead of commenting on it all the time.

Edit: I remember not liking neopronouns as a kid and I never went out of my way to bother anyone about it. Also dragon rider doesn’t force anyone to use drags pronouns, drag is fine with they/them

All you have to do if you don’t like or understand something is move on. You didn’t need to come here and invalidate someones identity.

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It just strikes me as a little disingenuous or odd.

This just screams that you are being disingenuous yourself is what I mean.

Dragon Rider is being accused of being a fake transgender person because people don’t like drags pronouns. The meme implies the so-called trolls are just polite trans people, and that the person being offended by said trans people are simply transphobic, which they are.