Marched against the Iraq war. We were a million there too in London. Got the coach down from my home town to go. They went to war anyway. Industrial war machine doesnt care about people or their voice. Just the money it can make from more war.
It doesn’t matter, it is a statement of individual humanity.
it is a statement of individual humanity.
it matters
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Why would they care if all of those people will shut up in two days and go back to consuming as normal? We let our politicians get away with fraud and theft everyday, why would they change if they go unpunished?
Um… (looks out window in DC) … Where?
Presumably the national mall. And yesterday.
You probably live in the DC universe instead of Washington, DC.
If I got that information wrong, there a pointing down arrow that you can press so that I’ll stop making jokes in the context of serious political problems.
That’s a Marvellous joke
Quite comical, I’d add
Pun
I don’t know how many people marched in London but for DC it is mentioned that “thousands” marched… And “hundreds” for Paris and Rome. Maybe London carried this thing
E: It’s the same for London, it just says “thousands”.
Almost one million people (combined)
Searching for the DC protest, it just mentions “thousands” which, unless London really carried this, seems like a far cry from the “almost one million”.
And for London I just found similar claims of “thousands”.
The claim sounds like bullshit to me…
In London, at least, it varies wildly on who is reporting the statistics. The BBC will usually shill for the government, whereas you might have more luck with The Guardian for something a bit less biased - as long as you’re not looking at their opinion pieces.
It’s a regular battle in the UK. We’ve had several huge protests that have likely reached hundreds of thousands, where getting out of the area is ten times worse than getting out of Wembley Stadium, yet the BBC have reported “several thousand”, or have shown images where it’s a small subset of the people there.
I didn’t really see any reports stating anything other than “thousands”. I checked The Guardian and it’s the same there. If London and DC were to reach a million or even close to it, you’d expect one or more likely both of them to be in hundreds of thousands.
Probably bad reporter math and it was in the 10s of thousands which the reporter thought was almost 1 million instead of 100,000
I guess I could see if someone really messed up their numbers. From thousands to tens of thousands and rounding that (lol) to hundred thousand and then mistaking that for a million.
It’s like pyramid scheme accounting
But Military Industrial Complex need make money…
The only thing that will ever stop the war machine is the death of all humanity.
As long as there’s two people on the planet, someone is going to want someone dead
You sure sound like a crazed gunman
I’m not a crazed gunman dad. I’m an assassin. Well the difference be that one is a job and the other is a mental sickness!
Dad, put yeh, put mum on the phone!
Alright you’re both very clever, but how about we at least try to stop our elected governments from using our money to kill poor people. Things sometimes actually get better because of our actions
Expect to see nothing on mainstream TV.
A giant number for sure.
I see no mention of this on TikTok or Instagram. Am I being fed a false reality by the algorithm?
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So those who are ordering troops to kill and die will think twice about a ceasefire now! Can’t have Londoners and Washingtonians be angry at you!
It does tell the governments of each country, however, that there is a lot of discontent at the status quo.
I… I’d love to believe that. Yet, I can’t.
Rest assured, that’s what it means
Whether they do anything about it is a completely separate matter, but if there’s enough protests, it’ll at least come up in the election debates.
Yep
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What a load of horseshit. Advocating for genocide like you learned from Daddy Hitler?
Ceasfire for who? Like there’s shitloads of wars going on around the world right now, not just the 2 hip ones.
They have a Palestinian flag…it’s pretty obvious
Supporting terrorist!!! Hell yea!!!
Any “terrorists” in Gaza became irrelevant the moment isreal started rounding up and mass bombing civilians. You can’t commit genocide against a group of people and cry terrorist when some try to stop you. What are they supposed to do? Just die?
According to several users in this thread? Yes. One terrorist attack is complete justification for a complete and total genocide of Palestinians.
Hit a military target. No one got super outraged when terrorists blew up the Cole. But when they took out 3k civilians on 9-11, or about 1.5k civilians on 10-7, they made a lot of normally anti-war people very angry and willing to look away while their military made horrible mass casualties as a response.
Hahaha suuure so being a terrorist is justified lol
Who cares?
At least 1million people.
I really, really doubt it was a million people. Most reports place both “in the thousands”. Even being charitable and bumping that up to tens of thousands gets you nowhere even near the one million mark.
Lets suppor terrorist!!!
When terrorists destroyed two of the largest buildings in America and killed far more people than Hamas did in their attack, we didn’t see fit to eradicate every single human being in the middle East. Why is complete genocide acceptable to you guys? Why is this much civilian death justifiable to you?
Should have, that way we avoid future terrorist attacks
Don’t you have a Trump rally you’re late for?
I said it 22 years ago when the towers fell, and it looks like it’s time to say it again. You don’t get rid of angry people by killing angry people.
Dont think the war was about getting rid of angry people, it was about getting who was responsable and killing them.
Oh, sorry! I didn’t realize it was just one small country that was supplying the world’s terrorists. Carry on, I suppose.
Please tell me you don’t actually mean this unironically?
So, the problem is if you kill a few angry people, they all have at least 2 friends/family members, and therefore you create twice as many angry people as you destroy. The only way killing angry people actually reduces the number of angry people is in fact genocide. But if you’re willing to commit genocide, you have to stop and ask yourself if maybe, you’re the angry person.
Yeah, it’s almost as if killing people isn’t the best way to achieve anything.
Define civilian death… When all the “civilians” are terrorist well… Not many civilians left…
Ok, so you unironically want to destroy every single, what, Arab? Including, presumably, children, because they’re all “terrorist”.
Do you realise what an awful piece of shit that makes you?
If you’re in occupied Palestine you could even vote for one to be the next PM.
They have already lol
Surely there’s a solution somewhere between “support terrorists” and “murder everyone.” Most Palestinians aren’t terrorists, just like most Americans aren’t terrorists. A cease-fire helps get humanitarian aid in and figure out who the actual terrorists are.
Most Palestinians in the West bank and Gaza support Hamas, even after their October 7th actions, so classifying them as terrorists or not is kind of a gray zone right now.
Two things:
- who determined that?
- would the have said the same if Israel wasn’t bombing so many innocents?
I think it’s pretty reasonable to vocally side with t group that’s fighting the group killing your people, but I don’t think that necessarily means real support. I’m pretty sure the people would not like the type of leadership Hamas would provide assuming they achieved independence today, so I find it hard to believe they really support Hamas.
“Palestinians believe that diplomacy and negotiations are not an option available to them, that only violence and armed struggle is the means to end the siege and blockade over Gaza, and in general to end the Israeli occupation,” Shikaki said.
Ah, this makes complete sense. So it seems they don’t necessarily like Hamas, but they support violence because they don’t see a diplomatic option available. So instead of just suffering under Israeli blockade, they prefer something to happen.
Almost 80% of respondents told PCPSR researchers that killing women and children in their homes is a war crime.
An even higher number (85%) of respondents said they had not watched videos shown by international news outlets of acts committed by Hamas on October 7 – a figure which may hint at why only 10% of those surveyed said they believed Hamas had committed war crimes that day.
So they don’t even know what Hamas is doing.
In the West Bank, however, support has been rising dramatically from 35% in September 2022 to 54% in September 2023 (a month before the war). This month, polled support for armed struggle reached 68% in the West Bank.
Shikaki says these divergences reflect the rise in attacks by violent Jewish settlers on Palestinians in the West Bank, which have drawn condemnation from the US and Europe…
This also makes sense. When you put people between a rock and a hard place, they’ll lash out.
In Gaza, 25% of those asked said they had viewed such videos; and 16% of all respondents told researchers Hamas had committed war crimes. In the West Bank, the corresponding numbers were just 7% and 1%.
Gaza is moving out of denial more quickly than the West Bank, Shikaki says, and that means a reckoning for Hamas. Already, only 38% of Gazans want to see the militant group return to governance after the war.
This tells me people don’t like Hamas, they just like someone doing something.
Sure, dont bomb the whole thing and get boots on the ground, just like they arr doing :)
Uh, they’re bombing the whole thing and putting boots on the ground. So your options are:
- get shot
- get blown up
Not great options.
So they are bombing their on people?? Hahha U dont think so… Putting boots in the groud its bad fir israel and they do so to avoid killing inocent (if there are any) people in the area. If they wanted they cid bomb the whole thing to the ground, they have not done this
No, they’re bombing pretty much everywhere their soldiers aren’t. So either get shot or blown up.
They’re putting boots on the ground to try to find their people, not to avoid killing innocents.
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Oh no, there’s way more than a million people. They’re not in this image though
No, but several in this thread…
Frankly, instead of a ceasefire, Israel needs to give greater consideration for civilian casualties. But HAMAS has got to go and a ceasefire will only drag things out.
Maybe they should be having a serious conversation with the Qatari government. You know, where the Hamas leadership actually is.
Israel only has one type of “serious conversation” and it usually involves explosives.
Honestly surprised things haven’t started going boom in Qatar. They weren’t shy about doing it in Beirut.
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Here’s some very basic facts. Yeah, the amount of antisemitism and islamophobia inherent in any conversation about this is crazy, could not agree more.
Thanks for the reply, I’m reading it right now. I deleted my original comment because within 5 minutes of writing it as I got a weirdly threatening DM about being an antisemite. I probably shouldn’t have though, this is exactly what these internet weirdos want.
For anyone that can’t see my original comment, I asked @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works for some neutral reading material as all the information outlets around this topic are wildly biased and skewing towards anti-Semitism or anti-Palestine/Islamophobic rhetoric depending on where in the world they’re located.
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Yeah it’s hard for the civilians to suffer when they are dead.
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I’m impressed with the intelligence and thoroughness of your response.
