I just want to make funny Pictures.

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    Hey, as long as you don’t try to

    • Sell it
    • Claim it’s yours
    • Use it instead of hiring professionals if you’re a business

    not too fussed.

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        So because I use chatgpt for help coding data analysis scripts, I am no longer a mechanical engineer?

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            Except it’s not used as a job title to describe people prompting Midjourney lol. A prompt engineer is a software engineer who specifically deals with LLM workflows.

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                yeah and we all know there is only the one type of software engineer. It would be ridiculous to separate them into categories depending on whether they work on frontend, backend, embedded lmao

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                    I’m not sure what you mean. Integrating LLMs in a codebase requires the use of specific tools. Sure it’s not as established and wide ranging as “frontend” but it’s still something that you need to learn and work on if you want to do it well. Kind of like, you know, a skill.

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          I’d say that depends on how important data analysis is to the job of mechanical engineer, and the degree of help you get from chatgpt

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      Use it instead of hiring professionals if you’re a business

      Why wouldn’t you though?

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        Because then artists aren’t getting paid but you’re still using their art. The AI isn’t making art for you just because you typed a prompt in. It got everything it needs to do that from artists.

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          So it’s more of an ethical “someone somewhere is probably being plagiarized and that’s bad” thing and not really a business or pragmatic decision. I guess I can get that but can’t see many people following through with that.

          Some people got mad at a podcast I follow because they use AI generated episode covers. Which is funny because they absolutely wouldn’t be paying an artist for that work, it’d just be the same cover, so not like they switched from paying someone to not paying them.

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            The issue is similar to using other people’s data for profit. It’s easy to not feel that’s the case because “it’s the AI that does that, not me.”

            There’s a lot of concerns around it. Mine is that we have longer periods of style with minimal variety because of artist stagnation due to lack of financial backing. Though, this is for all gen AI as it depends on humans for progression, else it stagnates. People are already getting AI art fatigue because it feels like that old 2005–2015 Adobe Illustrato vector art everyone was doing, because it is. It was an incredibly popular and overused style back then, so itt’ brimming with it in comparison to other art styles it got from the internet. It already looks dated, but acceptable because it’s familiar to most. It depends on more artists progressing our art to be able to do the same. But it won’t do that as fast if art culture is slowed due to lack of support.

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        Remember when corporations tried to claim that money you didn’t spend on their product was theft ? This way of thinking has been recycled by the anti-AI bros.

        Turns out all the money you don’t spend on struggling artists is not only theft, but also class warfare. You stinking bougie you.

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        Because that’s a harm to society and economy.

        It’s gutting entire swaths of middle-class careers, and funneling that income into the pockets of the wealthy.

        If you’re a single-person startup using your own money and you can’t afford to hire someone else, sure. That’s ok until you can afford to hire someone else.
        If you’re just using it for your personal hobbies and for fun, that’s probably ok
        But if you’re contributing to unemployment and suppressed wages just to avoid payroll expenses, there is a guillotine with your name on it.

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          Please don’t use the “but it creates jobs” argument.

          Me shitting in the street also “creates jobs” because someone has to clean it.

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          I think what matters if you would’ve otherwise hired someone. Otherwise I can’t see it making any impact.

          And in a lot of cases you would’ve paid for stock photo company anyway

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            I don’t agree:

            Before if you chose not to hire someone, you’d be competing against better products from people who did hire someone. Hiring someone gave them a competitive advantage.

            By removing the competitive advantage of hiring someone, you’re destroying an entire career path, harming the economy and society in general.

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              A lot of AI use I’m personally seeing is shit most wouldn’t spend money on or stuff where instead of paying for a stock photo they just generate shit and be done with it. Would they have ever paid someone to do the work and especially would anyone have agreed to do such small work that’d never pay anything reasonable, most likely no.

              Before if you chose not to hire someone, you’d be competing against better products from people who did hire someone. Hiring someone gave them a competitive advantage.

              I guess I don’t believe in quite as much in the invisible hand of capitalism. I rather think it’s a race to the bottom with companies buying some cheap slop to use on their webpage or whatever from a stock photo company and now people pay AI companies for it, if anyone. Can’t see the big impact of that sort of shit being replaced.

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                I also think capitalism is a race to the bottom, but I believe it is so because it subverts the value of labor. It’s shit like AI that makes it a race to the bottom.

                shit most wouldn’t spend money on or stuff where instead of paying for a stock photo they just generate shit and be done with it.

                Then pay for the stock photo. There, an artist is being paid for their work. But realistically the little stuff you’re talking about is the occupation of entire departments in megacorps.

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                  Paying a stock photo “artist” or some AI slop “artist”, I’m not sure it makes any difference. The stuff AI generates is already so sloppy generic corporate bs that it’s hard to think of anyone deserving to paid anything for it anyway. It’s mimicking a horrid generic art style and a horrid generic art style like that isn’t owned by a particular artist anyway.

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      Why not sell it? Pet Rocks were sold.

      Why not claim it’s yours? You wrote the prompt. See Pet Rocks above.

      Not use it and instead hire a professional? That argument died with photography. Don’t take a photo, hire a painter!

      So what if AI art is low quality. Not every product needs to be art.

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        Why not sell it? Pet Rocks were sold.

        Why not claim it’s yours? You wrote the prompt. See Pet Rocks above.

        Because, unlike pet rocks, AI generated art is often based on the work of real people without attribution or permission, let alone compensation.

        Not use it and instead hire a professional? That argument died with photography. Don’t take a photo, hire a painter!

        So what if AI art is low quality. Not every product needs to be art.

        Do you know what solidarity is? Any clue at all?

        Seems like the concept is completely alien to you, so here you go:

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          Do you know what solidarity is?

          Do you know what a luddite is?

          The simplest argument, supported by many painters and a section of the public, was that since photography was a mechanical device that involved physical and chemical procedures instead of human hand and spirit, it shouldn’t be considered an art form;

          https://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/History_of_Photography_as_Fine_Art#:~:text=The simplest argument%2C supported by,in common with fabrics produced

          That a particular AI could have used copywrited work is a completely different argument than what was first stated.

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            Do you know what a false equivalence is? If not, just reread your own comment for a fucking perfect example.

            I’m not wasting any more time and effort trying to explain the blindingly obvious to your willfully obtuse ass. Have the day you deserve.

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          Copyright and intellectual property is a lie cooked up by capitalists to edge indie creators out of the market.

          True solidarity is making AI tools and freely sharing them with the world. Not all AIs are locked down by corporations.

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            Those capitalists support AI because it would allow them to further cut out all creators from the market. If you want solidarity, support artists against the AI being used to replace them.

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              Please explain to me how open source AI allows a corporation to cut creators out of the market.

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        Why not sell it? Because chances are the things it was trained off of were stolen in the first place and you have no right to claim them

        Why not claim it’s yours? Because it is not, it is using the work of others, primarily without permission, to generate derivative work.

        Not use it and hire a professional? If you use AI instead of an artist, you will never make anything new or compelling, AI cannot generate images without a stream of information to train off of. If we don’t have artists and replace them with AI, like dumbass investors and CEOs want, they will reach a point where it is AI training off AI and the well will be poisoned. Ai should be used simply as a tool to help with the creation of art if anything, using it to generate “new” artwork is a fundamentally doomed concept.

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          Why is it valid for you to be trained off of art you didn’t have rights to but not for an open source program running locally on my PC?

          It would not be a copyright violation if you created a completely original super hero in the art style of Jack Kirby.

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            What’s the equivalence you’re trying to make? The program itself may be open source, but the images the model’s been trained on are copywritten.

            And if you personally hand made it, sure. By nature, nothing an LLM makes is “completely original”

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              The equivalence is that nothing human artists make is “original” either. Everyone is influenced by what they have seen.

              You are arguing that if you created a completely original comic book character in the art style of Jack Kirby, you committed a copyright violation.

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                Computers do not get “inspiration” or “influence”, and that’s quite literally not what I’m arguing. Maybe I’m just talking to an AI lol

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                  Your argument is that you can get a request for a commission perhaps for a mascot ( create a new comic hero in the style of Jack Kirby) and it’s perfectly fine for you Google examples of Kirby’s style to create the picture.

                  But if a computer does the same it’s a copyright violation.

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                    Because an AI does not create unique art/concepts/ideas, what’s hard to understand about that? You are putting the human mind on the same level as AI and that’s wild