why are there fans of operating systems in the first place
Operating systems are huge endeavours of engineering and design by entire teams of people over decades, which are used literally daily. Is that not enough of a reason for people to be fans of them?
Hah. Of the concept of operating systems, maybe. I can see one appreciating technical solutions and UX choices just as a matter of skill and execution. Actively fanboying for them? Getting into playground-style arguments where you root for your favorite? Nah. Seems super immature to me.
There aren’t even that many of the things anymore. It’s not like the old days, where every computer brand had their own. Where are the TOS fanboys these days? All them kids and their obnoxious modern software interfaces. That’s not a OS, it’s just graphics.
This is a weird hobby I gotta say. Wanna say a few words about how evil Firefox is but zero about chrome/Google while you’re at it? Maybe write a paragraph or two about the perfect blameless business practices of Microsoft? I think your Halloween costume would be great, you can just continue to follow the model of a Ben-Shapiro-style weirdo who says how much they despise the idea of Linux while pretending to be unbiased, in every conversation. You’re like the anti-evangelist. In every conversation you are not looking for ways to sell people on Linux, you’re looking for ways to bring up how “awful” it is.
See, that version of me is something. Bet he makes more money, too. Probably gets paid by Microsoft.
For the record, I’m typing this on Firefox, which is my main browser on all OSs, Android included. It’s actually perfectly fine. I’d like more competition outside of Chromium, and I keep a Chrome install mostly to keep the Google Workspace stuff I do for work separate from my personal browsing, but… yeah, no, use Firefox, there are no downsides. Well, except the lack of tab grouping. They should steal that one already.
And man, I’ve been whining about Microsoft since the Windows 95 launch. I’m on the record with Microsoft support telling them that OneDrive is the single biggest liability for my business and the piece of software that has cost me the most money in my career. The moment I find a forum built entirely about praising Microsoft’s software as a fanboying collective you will see me point those out on the daily because come on.
But there isn’t one of those popping up on my feed. There is a Linux one, though, where people seem to be on different degrees of denial about the reality of the situation, so I sometimes point that out. Because man, do I wish the Linux community made different decisions so we could have a more viable desktop OS alternative for general use.
But yes, I am the anti-evangelist. On every angle. No evangelism here, in any meaning of the word. If you’re an evangelist of any persuasion for anything and you’re not getting paid, you should stop. I’d much rather look at things honestly. Even the things I like. It’s both better for you and a lot more fun.
There is absolutely Zero things wrong with encouraging Linux use and a million things wrong with contributing to the reams of misinformation floating around about it. So expect pushback every single time. I see you’re getting a lot of it. Seems to be the goal.
I don’t know about pushback, but I’m glad to have a conversation about this, so I suppose it IS the goal. I don’t think most people posting that they have been happily using Linux by default for years are doing so in bad faith at all, but that’s exactly why comparing notes and a shift in perspective are useful here. If everybody was just trolling and memeing about it, then I’d be much less inclined to engage.
And, honestly, besides you being kinda mad and unreasonable (and again, you’re not that bad for Internet standards), everybody else is being super respectful, engaged with the issue and fairly open minded. I have no complaints.
I object to the misinformation bit, though. Everything I’ve posted is either first hand, real experience or easily verifiable.
Operating systems are huge endeavours of engineering and design by entire teams of people over decades, which are used literally daily. Is that not enough of a reason for people to be fans of them?
Hah. Of the concept of operating systems, maybe. I can see one appreciating technical solutions and UX choices just as a matter of skill and execution. Actively fanboying for them? Getting into playground-style arguments where you root for your favorite? Nah. Seems super immature to me.
There aren’t even that many of the things anymore. It’s not like the old days, where every computer brand had their own. Where are the TOS fanboys these days? All them kids and their obnoxious modern software interfaces. That’s not a OS, it’s just graphics.
That is true for any fandom. Why is being a fan if flavour x software bad but being a fan of flavour x car or flavour x sports team is OK?
You are making a ton of assumptions about my opinions of car brand fans and sports fans that I am not ready to verify, friend.
Perfect description of your angry ranting ITT
Your derisive laughing in response to this valid question validates anyone’s negative opinion of your trolling here
Man, the version of me that lives in your head is amazing. I’m gonna dress up as him next Halloween, twirly mustache and everything.
This is a weird hobby I gotta say. Wanna say a few words about how evil Firefox is but zero about chrome/Google while you’re at it? Maybe write a paragraph or two about the perfect blameless business practices of Microsoft? I think your Halloween costume would be great, you can just continue to follow the model of a Ben-Shapiro-style weirdo who says how much they despise the idea of Linux while pretending to be unbiased, in every conversation. You’re like the anti-evangelist. In every conversation you are not looking for ways to sell people on Linux, you’re looking for ways to bring up how “awful” it is.
Again, pretty fucking weird hobby.
See, that version of me is something. Bet he makes more money, too. Probably gets paid by Microsoft.
For the record, I’m typing this on Firefox, which is my main browser on all OSs, Android included. It’s actually perfectly fine. I’d like more competition outside of Chromium, and I keep a Chrome install mostly to keep the Google Workspace stuff I do for work separate from my personal browsing, but… yeah, no, use Firefox, there are no downsides. Well, except the lack of tab grouping. They should steal that one already.
And man, I’ve been whining about Microsoft since the Windows 95 launch. I’m on the record with Microsoft support telling them that OneDrive is the single biggest liability for my business and the piece of software that has cost me the most money in my career. The moment I find a forum built entirely about praising Microsoft’s software as a fanboying collective you will see me point those out on the daily because come on.
But there isn’t one of those popping up on my feed. There is a Linux one, though, where people seem to be on different degrees of denial about the reality of the situation, so I sometimes point that out. Because man, do I wish the Linux community made different decisions so we could have a more viable desktop OS alternative for general use.
But yes, I am the anti-evangelist. On every angle. No evangelism here, in any meaning of the word. If you’re an evangelist of any persuasion for anything and you’re not getting paid, you should stop. I’d much rather look at things honestly. Even the things I like. It’s both better for you and a lot more fun.
There is absolutely Zero things wrong with encouraging Linux use and a million things wrong with contributing to the reams of misinformation floating around about it. So expect pushback every single time. I see you’re getting a lot of it. Seems to be the goal.
I don’t know about pushback, but I’m glad to have a conversation about this, so I suppose it IS the goal. I don’t think most people posting that they have been happily using Linux by default for years are doing so in bad faith at all, but that’s exactly why comparing notes and a shift in perspective are useful here. If everybody was just trolling and memeing about it, then I’d be much less inclined to engage.
And, honestly, besides you being kinda mad and unreasonable (and again, you’re not that bad for Internet standards), everybody else is being super respectful, engaged with the issue and fairly open minded. I have no complaints.
I object to the misinformation bit, though. Everything I’ve posted is either first hand, real experience or easily verifiable.
It’s not hard to scroll and read. I’ve seen several people calling you out on this and the downvotes also speak for themselves