• Zyratoxx@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    As someone speaking a native language in which I need to rephrase myself multiple times and need to work with multiple / and * before a sentence is both grammatically correct and perfectly gendered - I still take my time because inclusion is worth it - I just don’t get why anybody could ever be upset about English gender inclusive language.

    An example:

    Every cyclist should wear their helmet to protect their head from injury.

    Jede/r Radfahrer*In sollte seinen/ihren Helm tragen, um seinen/ihren Kopf vor Verletzungen zu schützen.

    We usually tend to rephrase these sentences like this:

    Alle Radfahrenden sollten Helme tragen, um das Risiko für Kopfverletzungen zu minimieren.

    All cyclists should wear helmets to minimise the risk of head injuries.

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      Fun fact about how stupid this outrage is: singular “they” has existed longer than singular “you” in the English language. If you refuse to use singular “they” but aren’t using “thou,” then you’re a hypocrite.

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      I don’t know where you got this from or if you just invented it, but I have never heard/seen anyone mix * and /.

      People interested in gender neutral language used / before the idea of more than two genders came up. Whoever wanted to specifically include non-binary people started using _ or *.

      Also it makes little sense imo to include nb’s in the subject of a sentence to go back to binary scheme in the pronouns…

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        My highschool teacher wanted us to use * and / as given in my example. I usually rephrase myself to not having to use / that much but idk if you can just use the male or female possessive pronoun to include everyone (if you use the * at some point in the sentence to make it clear) I honestly just use the / to be super sure.

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          You can just replace / with *, in pronouns as well: Seine * ihre, Kolleg * innen, jede * r.

          [Edit: without spaces inbetween, but otherwise things become italic in here]

          This way you are the surest, since everybody is included every time.

          I really have no clue where your teacher got this mixing thing from. But all this is work in progress. Societies and languages have to transform and that doesn’t need to be a linear process. Imo it’s even better if it isn’t, because exploration and multiperspectivity aren’t very linear by nature and irritation and changes make for good opportunities to think and discuss.

          For example sometimes I like saying just one gender, if it makes for good, well placed irritation.

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            Oh thanks a lot. I learned the whole thing back in 2015 from a teacher who was close to retirement and who lived and taught the last 40 years in the last hinterland district with more deer than human inhabitants. And at university I didn’t take the course because I thought I knew it (and because it was being held on Monday morning) but I probably would have learned it there.

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              11 months ago

              You’re welcome. Well kudos to them anyways I guess. Some hinterlands outeight ban gender equality language so I’ll them in as progressive :3

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        11 months ago

        *Die Stadt sollte designierte Fahrradstraßen haben, damit Fahrradfahren auch ohne Helm hinreichend sicher ist.

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          Ich muss leider auf dem Land fahren wo sie einen in uneinsehbaren Kurven (oder mit 100km/h) mit 30cm Seitenabstand überholen.

          Ein Grund wieso ich fast nur noch auf Wald-, Feld- und Güterwegen fahre.