Discord was already succumbing to enshitification. Now with their intention to be owned by Wall Street, that trajectory will certainly accelerate at warp speed once the change of hands happens.

Anyone already get ahead of this and find a solid alternative?

Right now I’m on the fence between Element for Matrix, and Revolt. Both seem to have their pros and cons and I can’t find a clear “winner”.

  • pory@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1239·
    2 months ago

    it’s Element/Matrix if we’re lucky. Revolt is just another Discord - surely this single company will last! With Element/Matrix being an open protocol, it won’t be a “platform” you have to leave when it goes corporate.

      • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netEnglish
        842·
        2 months ago

        Yes, which is good, but the lack of federation is a deal-breaker. It means that you either:

        1. Use their servers - This requires entrusting them with your communities, just like Discord.
        2. Host your own private instance - You can control it, but the lack of federation means it’ll be isolated from communicating with other communities. This makes it really difficult to convince people to use your self-hosted servers.

        Until Revolt adds a way for different instances to federate, Matrix is really the only other option.

        • aleq@lemmy.worldEnglish
          30·
          2 months ago

          My experience with Matrix is that the federation itself is a deal breaker. I have a pretty beefy server and good connection which was getting ddosed by running Matrix and timing out on so many requests for avatars/profiles etc. Maybe I did something wrong, but the whole experience rendered me quite skeptical to the viability of it as a federated chat.

          That said I’ve had nothing but good experiences using it with big servers set up by pros.

          • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netEnglish
            172·
            2 months ago

            I get why Federation can cause issues (most of the time it’s moderation related), but why would an extra option be a deal-breaker? Federation can always be disabled on a per-domain basis if you prefer. In fact, I’d argue it’s best practice to only allow domains on a case-by-case basis to prevent spam and abuse.

            On the converse, you can’t enable Federation on a platform that doesn’t have it.

          • hobovision@lemm.eeEnglish
            42·
            2 months ago

            Why would an optional feature be a deal breaker?

            It also seems like an issue that could be easily solved by whitelisting.

            • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              Yes, which is good, but the lack of federation is a deal-breaker.

              The federation itself is a deal breaker

              Why would an optional feature be a deal breaker?

              Because the person they’re responding to said the lack of the optional feature was a deal breaker for them on a different piece of software.

              • pseudonaut@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                I’m might be being dense but… Still: why would an optional feature be a dealbreaker? You just restated, you didn’t address the confusing logic.

                • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Go ask the actual person who said it was a deal breaker for them, I can’t explain it more simply than I have.

        • mamotromico@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          I have yet to try revolt, but I thought you could just add stand-alone servers to your client (like idk, mumble). Is a revolt instance a whole separate ecosystem/infrastructure and not just a server entry?

    • acockworkorange@mander.xyzEnglish
      121·
      2 months ago

      Nheko provides an interface that is reminiscent of Discord. Fully featured and fast Matrix client.

      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        41·
        2 months ago

        Thank you for the recommendation. I tried element a while ago and found it lacking. Matrix must be the way forward. Disregarding IRC of course.

    • ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.todayEnglish
      51·
      2 months ago

      Sadly I found out yesterday:

      Matrix is not a community-based software, it was born [00] in Amdocs [01], a multinational corporation founded in Israel.

      https://hackea.org/notas/matrix.html

      Many were claiming its impossible to get contributions merged as well.

      I would be happy to find out this information is wrong or outdated.

      • Shimitar@downonthestreet.euEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        Feels like fud.

        Matrix is a set of standards and governed by an open foundation https://matrix.org/foundation/about/

        Also there are many different server implementations and its hard to believe they all send your data to some third entity. In other words, what is stated by that link is just plain false. Not to mention that today there are quite many clients as well and I find the bridge point a bit… Idiotic.

        You are free to use matrix.org but makes way more sense to self host your instance, and maybe not even use Synapse but something more “modern” as server.