For all the horrors, they probably did make some progress with experiments in concentration camps.
They did. Read about Unit 731. Unquestionably inhumane experiments yielded breakthroughs in human-pathogen interactions that substantially advanced the field. However, it goes without question that no amount of knowledge justified the means.
I did, and from what I heard, it is a big myth that the results were actually as useful as the first assessment on discovery of them had been. Later studies have, as far as I know, been much more sobering as to the “usefulness” of the data acquired there.
The website you link also immediately shows the problem (even in presentation, presenting them quite sensationalist, immediately highlighting, that there is no possibility of neutrality in assessing the results): The “cruelty for cruelty’s sake” in the conditions of the experiments cannot easily be removed from the results. Making the data in the end only useful for very specific circumstances, and hard to untangle. Lets take venereal diseases for example - it ultimately shows how they spread and interact in conditions of forced mass rape under conditions of extreme squalor, as documented by people not engaged in proper double-blind environments. The usefulness of that is not as high as the myth surrounding Unit 731 or Mengele’s experiments might suggest - and as your linked website also shows, there is a material interest in selling that myth of “forbidden, evil experiments resulting in knowledge”.
It’s more like the truth lands somewhere in between. The people making the argument of “despite the lack of morality, Unit 731 gave us a lot of useful research and advanced human knowledge!” have the same type of mindset as the ones saying “literally nothing Unit 731 did is worth anything. It is all 100% useless and we shouldn’t spend any time looking at any of it!”.
Essentially, both of these groups started with a conclusion and worked backwards from there. One wants desperately to believe that at least something worthwhile came from all that evil, the other wants desperately to believe that evil like that couldn’t possibly produce anything of value.
It’s just an attempt to rationalize the absolute atrocities that Unit 731 was allowed to commit. Either by saying it was for some “greater good”, or by saying they weren’t scientists at all and there was no purpose other than the cruelty.
They did. Read about Unit 731. Unquestionably inhumane experiments yielded breakthroughs in human-pathogen interactions that substantially advanced the field. However, it goes without question that no amount of knowledge justified the means.
https://www.pacificatrocities.org/human-experimentation.html
I did, and from what I heard, it is a big myth that the results were actually as useful as the first assessment on discovery of them had been. Later studies have, as far as I know, been much more sobering as to the “usefulness” of the data acquired there.
The website you link also immediately shows the problem (even in presentation, presenting them quite sensationalist, immediately highlighting, that there is no possibility of neutrality in assessing the results): The “cruelty for cruelty’s sake” in the conditions of the experiments cannot easily be removed from the results. Making the data in the end only useful for very specific circumstances, and hard to untangle. Lets take venereal diseases for example - it ultimately shows how they spread and interact in conditions of forced mass rape under conditions of extreme squalor, as documented by people not engaged in proper double-blind environments. The usefulness of that is not as high as the myth surrounding Unit 731 or Mengele’s experiments might suggest - and as your linked website also shows, there is a material interest in selling that myth of “forbidden, evil experiments resulting in knowledge”.
It’s more like the truth lands somewhere in between. The people making the argument of “despite the lack of morality, Unit 731 gave us a lot of useful research and advanced human knowledge!” have the same type of mindset as the ones saying “literally nothing Unit 731 did is worth anything. It is all 100% useless and we shouldn’t spend any time looking at any of it!”.
Essentially, both of these groups started with a conclusion and worked backwards from there. One wants desperately to believe that at least something worthwhile came from all that evil, the other wants desperately to believe that evil like that couldn’t possibly produce anything of value.
It’s just an attempt to rationalize the absolute atrocities that Unit 731 was allowed to commit. Either by saying it was for some “greater good”, or by saying they weren’t scientists at all and there was no purpose other than the cruelty.