Tesla (TSLA) has to replace the ‘self-driving’ computer inside about 4 million vehicles or likely compensate the owners of those...

Tesla (TSLA) has to replace the ‘self-driving’ computer inside about 4 million vehicles or likely compensate the owners of those vehicles.

The liability could be more significant than the largest automotive recall in terms of cost.

In 2016, Tesla claimed that all its vehicles in production going forward have “all the hardware necessary for full self-driving capability.”

Tesla’s use of the term “full self-driving” has changed over the years, but at the time and for years later, CEO Elon Musk claimed that it would mean Tesla owners would eventually receive a software update that would turn their vehicles into “robotaxis” capable of level-4-5 self-driving, which means unsupervised autonomous driving even with no one in the cars.

Almost 10 years later, this has yet to happen and won’t happen soon in most of the cars Tesla has delivered over the last decade.

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  • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    195·
    6 days ago

    This is just one guy saying this. There’s no judge or government ordering a recall.

    It’s clickbait.

  • theotherbelow@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    321·
    6 days ago

    TLDR: the marketing lies about full self driving are problematic given the computers of the last few gens are only marginally more capable then a toaster. Some lawsuits have made Tesla pay up, many more might.

    Opinion: do not let your car kill you. Do not use full self driving.

    • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      6 days ago

      Don’t let your car kill other people, if your expensive deathtrap kills you I feel bad but I can’t say it’s unexpected.

    • boonhet@lemm.eeEnglish
      82·
      5 days ago

      Full self driving isn’t full self driving anyway. You’re expected to sit in the drivers seat ready to take action anyway. Sucks that it kills people, but it’s a problem with the marketing, not the tech which is comparable to other cars adaptive cruise with lane keep assist. Musk should be held fully responsible because the fact that it’s a marketing issue makes it even worse to me.

  • baggachipz@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    36·
    6 days ago

    At this point, I’m sure the plan is to let the HW3 cars age out before they could provide the upgrade. It worked on me, I sold my car a month ago without ever getting what I paid for. I look forward to joining the class action suit, but I doubt I’ll ever see a dime in compensation.

  • MedicsOfAnarchy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    39·
    6 days ago

    That’s going to cost quite a bit, what with tariffs on electronics and all. Wait, I had a tissue around here somewhere…

      • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        8·
        6 days ago

        Some people bet Elons political influance will benefit Tesla in the future.

        Personally I doubt he cares about it.

        Also, if they successfully transform the US into a dictatorship, money loses meaning for those in charge.

  • someguy3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    24·
    6 days ago

    As another user said, it’s just a random blogger that said this.

    Musk quote:

    I mean, I think the honest answer is that we’re going to have to upgrade people’s Hardware 3 computer for those that have bought full self-driving, and that is the honest answer and that’s going to be painful and difficult but we’ll get it done. Now I’m kind of glad that not that many people bought the FSD package.

  • zenpocalypse@lemm.eeEnglish
    15·
    6 days ago

    I’ll take “things that might have happened if Elon didn’t cut the department that relates self-driving” for $100, Alex.

  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    5 days ago

    The only people he’s going to have to upgrade are those who purchased it. In the past there’s been some small claims court cases where someone won about being upgraded for a subscription, but if that is truly a concern, Tesla could stop the subscriptions for a few years and let the cars age out. They have no obligations to offer a subscription, it wasn’t a thing when the original promise was made.

    Also, they only need to upgrade cars when it’d actually be capable. The promise is to upgrade cars to capable hardware, not upgrade cars with every hardware iteration, so as long as hw4 can’t actually do it, they’re likely in the clear as well.

    Given most people don’t think they can actually make fsd work, then they’re in the clear.

    If they somehow make it work, the upgrade cost is going to be peanuts compared to the insane amount of money they’d start printing.

    So it’s not much if a story.

    Edit: also worth mentioning, he’s been pretty clear over the years that FSD is going to cost a lot more money once it’s available for real. So if he does have to upgrade everyone who pays for it (lets assume they stop subscriptions to avoid that issue), even if that means upgrading all HW4 cars as well because it needs HW5, he can jack the price up more to help cover the upgrade cost. No one should be under the illusion that purchasing FSD will be cheaper than it is today if they succeed.