What’s the difference? No matter how hard I look, most of their websites just consist of them advertising that they are immutable.

  • adry@piefed.social
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    4 days ago

    Precisely this is what I was about to comment, Thanks. Let me add that I’m using uBlue KDE flavor (Aurora) and don’t get me wrong, I love it… but for many reasons I’d rather not be using an immutable distro. As a personal decision. I prefer the Snapper approach, it gives you the benefit without any of the ‘costs’. But that’s how I see the ‘other differences’. To me, an experienced user and programmer, these ‘features’ are drawbacks. Immutable distros are quite good for non-power users (or whatever we may call them). Anyone without enough experience to understand the output of env | grep PATH (to put it in some random terms). If you want to fiddle with your system, customize the shell, etc… some simple stuff that made me fall in love with Linux might be just too difficult in an immutable system… at least this was my experience as a +10 year Linux user. Just adding ZSH to the distro is somewhat difficult enough, so the distro mantainers added a ‘just recipe’ (which is just a Makefile, see uBlue ujust docs) to do the stuff you would consider normal if you had any CLI experience; so stuff like tweaking your system (e.g. in the past I’ve used arch btw) will now be alienated from usual sources like simple online documentation… But I had to try this to get to know it. So, all in all, I think these immutable distros are great for someone who just starts on Linux or programming, and forces them to keep a clean home directory, nothing crazy like conda, pip install, pipx, etc. which I’ve learn as a dev to use; and have full knowledge of what they do with my env. Forced me to use devcontainer, cool… I guess… So, that’s the “safety” that I got from an immutable system, just being forced to keeping it tidy. Not bad, specially for a rolling distro like Fedora (the base for universal blue/ aurora.)

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      4 days ago

      Great points, but I’m on the opposite side while being in a similar user group. I never used Arch, but I used Gentoo for a few years and did LFS a couple times. Now I’m using Aurora/Bazzite on my workstations. I hack around on my machines a lot but sometimes I just like stuff that works too. When I need to get some development done, I don’t want to run into the weird bit of configuration left over from some previous project. I like that it pushes users towards encapsulation mechanisms like flatpaks and devcontainers. It keeps the core cleaner and more stable. The tradeoffs of having to bake extra packages into a container somewhere usually aren’t too bad.