Depends on context. If the context is “planning a holiday in El Salvador”, maybe MS-13 is relevant. Beyond being worried about impact on others’ lives, MS-13 is largely irrelevant to Americans and most people that I’ve encountered never heard of them before 2016.
Most people who don’t live in a border state, that is. If you live in Cali, Arizona, New Mexico, or Texas, you’ve heard of MS-13. That said, I consider them a non-threat to anyone who isn’t a rival gang member. They won’t fuck with you if you don’t fuck with them.
Idk anything about ms 13 so I can’t try to assess them as a threat. But I have a hard time imagining a gang or terror group coming close to russia in terms of threat to Americans
Trump, GOP, MAGA > Russia > China > MS-13
You forgot israel (AIPAC)
Threats to the US
A lapdog isn’t a threat except to reputation, even if they’re not on your side. Same reason North Korea isn’t on the list of threats.
Even if they have influence, it’s not exactly domestic policy, otherwise you’d have to add the IRA to the list also.
Russia, biggest mafia in the world, and also funds White supremecist/right wing groups all over the worlds.
And US presidents
And Brexit, people think. Russia is dangerous to the whole of the world.
yup, also funds fox(works closely with MURDOCH), which russia today version in the US.
Considering Russia kind of just put the final nail in the coffin for your democracy, probably Russia
Trump.
We count that as russia.
No you dont
Trump and Tulsi gabbard have said Rusaian talking points nearly word for word in public settings. They are Russian assets the only question is if they know they are Russian assets
We do
I guess it depends on how many nuclear weapons MS-13 has.
Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost - the “homegrown” criminal gang.
Seriously, had you heard about MS-13 before Trump?
Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost
Soooooooo…. You’re saying Russia then.
Yeah but taking out Putin won’t help as much now.
Glorifying gang culture was really popular in the 90’s-2000’s so I was definately slightly aware of ms-13 from someplace. Maybe law and order or some other show mentioned it. I was never really aware of DT until he ran for president.
Yes
It was probably one of the few buttons america even had before trump.
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
E-xactly.
Russia. MS-13 is nothing in comparison. Though it wouldn’t surprise me if Russia supports MS-13 as part of their hybrid warfare. That’s how they work.
Understand that Russia has largely been able to put US to its knees through hybrid methods that utilize and enhance the negative effects of american arrogance, neoliberal dogmatism and the war on drugs. Trump is the final stage before the empire comes down. It’s probably too late to turn the ship around by now. China + EU is already the facto world leaders and the US is doing everything to destroy itself and there is no real political and economical self-awareness among people with power.
The US should have started to decrease inequality, stop the war on drugs and enforced (sane) tariffs and migration policies 15 years ago. The EU has the same problems, but there isn’t the same level of inequality and political extremism and fundamentalism, which makes me believe that the EU will survive as a western democracy and relevant world player, but the US will not.
Trump
Then Russia. Thats where the ACTUAL voter interference comes from.
Well my retirement isn’t down because of ms-13
Gangs are bad. Thing is, you don’t fight gangs with military you fight them with relief. Gangs thrive on hurt people and the people who are suffering. If you relieve the hurt and suffering poverty causes you destroy the gangs ability to recruit.
- international: Russia (and their puppet, Trump)
- domestic: we have enough racist, fascist domestic terrorists (ex. Proud Boys, Patriot Front, etc., etc.) that pose far more of a threat to the US than MS-13
The only other time I had ever heard of MS-13 was the psychopathic rantings of a former cop I worked with briefly. Hmmm… wonder why they aren’t a cop anymore?
ironically russia also fund those white supremecy groups to, they have been known to, sow division in the us, and other countries.
That’s a joke right? MS-13 isn’t trying to invade Ukraine.
Not a joke, apparently, read the other comments.
Okay, I read them. What’s your point? What are your intentions? Put me down for Russia ig.
Point is some people take the threat of MS-13 way too seriously.
Some people think Trump is good, too.
They’re cultists.
I’m more worried about never being able to own a home or never being able to support myself. I’m more worried that i’ll never learn another language then I am some street gang I have never seen.
Because you don’t engage with right wing media like these sick fucks. If you read the shit they are being fed you realize if these same people found jack and the bean stalk in the nonfiction section they would put a nation wide ban on beans.
They also infiltrate left wing circles. They can be pretty clever. Not to sound paranoid but I’ve seen them on Lemmy. People convinced that Ukraine is some sort of Nazi state that Russia is justified in invading. Nevermind all the Nazi groups in Russia and abroad that are funded by Russia. Call this shit out when you see it. Try to deprogram them if you can I guess. They probably have to see it for themselves though.
Those people are also saying “Palestine bad” cause of reasons and using it to justify Israel’s genocide or “China bad” like their own nation isn’t doing the exact same thing.
It’s an artificial crisis planned by the trump admin years ago
https://apnews.com/general-news-international-news-88ba0f2a51b35bf8195e886d4210e5c3
Ah this point?
You’re own bloody country
They should be concerned about the dictator problem they have at home.
