• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    24 hours ago

    Industrial Britian had an enormous activist labor movement. A slew of left wing thinkers and agitators emerged from the British academic scene, including Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Ghandi.

    Yeah because of how mega capitalist it was

    How are you defining “Capitalist Country” if you ignore all the socialist policies a country has implemented?

    Worker ownership of means of production, usually. Let’s say Eastern Block, China, you get the picture.

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      23 hours ago

      Yeah because of how mega capitalist it was

      Capital accumulation is a predicate for the surpluses needed to build a socialist economy.

      Worker ownership of means of production, usually.

      Public pensions and union shops lay claim to the surplus profits of capital. The UK’s union membership peaked in the 1970s, as did its wages/pensions. After Thatcher, that share declined rapidly, as did the supply of council housing, the access to public health care and education, and the various other amenities common to socialist economies.

      Let’s say Eastern Block, China, you get the picture.

      The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

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      Don’t get much more “worker ownership of means of production” than that.

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        16 hours ago

        You’re not really giving any actual examples of automation shortening the work week in socialist countries here, unless a socialist country for you is the UK in the 70’s and unless automation for you is a maoists uprising against landlords.

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          You’re not really giving any actual examples of automation shortening the work week in socialist countries

          I pointed you directly to the 8-day workweek, which was the consequence of socialist reforms following the industrial revolution.

          You can find the same reforms implemented in socialist states ranging from Lenin’s Russia to Sankara’s Burkino Faso. It wasn’t just in England that we got statutory limits on the labor day and rules for overtime pay.

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            I pointed you directly to the 8-day workweek, which was the consequence of socialist reforms following the industrial revolution.

            And again it’s not an achievement of socialist countries specifically. It happened (and originated) in the capitalist countries too.

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              it’s not an achievement of socialist countries specifically

              It is an achievement of socialism, specifically.

              And when the socialists get control of the whole country, it becomes an achievement of a socialist country

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                But have socialist countries have such work day shortenings that would be specific to socialist countries?