The page seems to be not working at the moment but keep on signing https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
If you’re in the EU, you should still sign; extra signatures will be useful if it turns out some of them are invalid.
To be clear… If you have already signed, thank you but do not sign again.
(I know that’s not what you wanted to say, I just want to make sure it’s not misunderstood).
Does it not stop you from signing multiple times? The UK one tells you you’ve already signed it when you try again. I tried it again recently in case i was misremembering signing the second petition after the first one was misunderstood completely by the uk government.
Oddly, the EU one just has a checkbox that you need to check to confirm that you haven’t signed before. I’m guessing removal of duplicates happens only after closing, along with other data validation.
I thought this strange at first too, but I think it’s because of the disparate identification methods in different countries. If everyone had a digital ID card instant checking would be doable, but note it probably isn’t.
That’s not true. It depends on the country. In certain countries it will tell you if your identification number had been used before.
Interesting! I tried from a country that has an eID so it should be trivial to weed out duplicates, yet I got that checkbox.
Maybe it’s a self report feature >.<
For the UK one it’s just tied to your email address to prevent duplicates, and you just input your name and physical address which will be used to confirm you’re actually a citizen.
Yeah I signet 10 months ago. Also put the link in the post
I signed with my eID, which went fine, but then the website asked me to log in with my EU account, which I didn’t have.
Now, did I sign or didn’t I? 🤔
You should have received an email with a receipt if you did sign. In doubt, sign again; signing twice will invalidate the second signature but not the first (confirmed by EU staff).
Fresh update video from Ross about the campaign.
TL;DW:
- There’s a chance many of the signatures for the EU petition aren’t real. Keep signing to build up a safety margin. Official suggestions are: 10% more minimum, 20% pretty OK, up to 40% more for an actual safety net.
- Some countries had problems with signing using the digital ID system - suggests to use the manual method (instructions on the campaign page) or try again later.
- Someone not related with the campaign released a SKG crypto. Don’t touch it, obviously.
- Ross heard about people harassing Pirate Software, asks to stop.
- He’s got a lot of messages to reply to, prioritises ones important to the campaign for now.
- UK petition cleared 100k signatures. Number is most likely more reliable than the EU one.
- Link about contacting UK MP’s for those who want to do more than just sign a petition.
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I tried five times to sign using digital ID system, five times failed. Tried once on my phone and…it worked. So try to check other medium if you’re having problem.
Definitely keep signing, I’m really concerned at the speed it rose , and I’m really hoping there wasn’t something else at play here.
It was Critikal and PewDiePie saying to sign it. They could get a million signatures on literally anything.
but dozens a minute increase in the dawn hours?
Someone posted a screenshot from 4chan where they were talking about how to fake submissions… 😠
About my lowest threshold for success is that this at least makes disclosures about what you’re buying more prominent and restricts the ability for software licenses to just alter the deal and pray that they don’t alter them further. Even better disclosures would make the raw deal you’re getting become more poisonous before the point of sale. Especially as an American, I’m going to have wait a few years after any legislation goes through before I can trust online multiplayer games again.
This should not stop, the more the merry and also to ensure to filter out anomalies. 34k have already signed pass the million
At the current rate (which may or may not hold and may or may not be legitimate) the initiative should beat “One of Us”, the biggest one yet with 1.9M signatures (pro-life, ultimately did nothing).
Yay! I’m one in a million!
Can we move for a Stop Killing People now!? :)
That’s definitely a stretch goal. But at least if we can start by stopping them from killing something innocuous like games it shows that we still maybe have some power over them.
One melon!
A whole melon indeed
I swear this is not me doomering (I very much support this campaign and even signed it myself half a year ago), but I strongly suspect that at least a good chunk of those are fake. The issue is very hot in “terminally online” circles and those are the kind of people who don’t really think things through before acting.
I hope the number will keep on growing until the “legit” votes make up for the fake ones.
Keep it going, let’s see how much more we can get people to sign, let’s aim for 1.2
Do they still need to get the minimum in at least 7 countries? Anyone happen to know? Ive only been loosely following and i don’t want to stress the website more than it is suffering lol.
No, that requirement has already been met. The final requirement (which has just been met now) is to reach a total of 1 million signatures. Basically, all requirements are now satisfied
Awesome, thank you!!
Do still sign if you can, some signatures might turn out to be invalid and we need a buffer against that.
Only 4 countries have not reached the minimum.
In a way, focussing on the countries was always ultimately pointless (aside from encouraging votes througj country rivalries). It’s almost impossible to not have required countries after the million votes milestone. You’d have to male something very specific like “make dutch the only language in the EU” in order to not make that cut.
Ich bin dabei 🙋🏼♂️
Ich auch. Schon 10 Monaten.
That’s great and all, but this needs to stop being spammed everywhere. Theres two of these posts in games alone.
Crosspost, people. That’s what is there for.
That’s cool. Too bad it doesn’t matter and nothing will change :-/
Stop doomering
Why do you think so?
I may advise you to track previous actions and their outcomes. More often than not, it does work.
A) this issue applies to all kinds of software.
B) procuring software is a two-way street … the producer assigns terms by which access is obtained, and you agree to those terms in exchange for that access. If the software is SaaS then if the producer chooses to shut down the service then you are SOL. If the software is provided with a long list of terms via Steam, then you are basically buying SaaS with local caching and execution. Maybe don’t reward producers by agreeing to one-sided deals like SaaS?
This kind of headache is what prompted Richard Stallman to come up with the idea for the GNU license. Maybe you think that is too radical… but maybe imposing your ideas of what licensing terms should look like on (only?) game developers is radical also.
A) yes it does.
B) I’m assuming that you are somehow against this pro consumer movement. If so: why?
For the same reason I think software developers have the right to choose to release under copyleft, I think they have the right to release under SaaS or copyright. I don’t think it is fair to take those rights from them. (I may choose to avoid SaaS or other proprietary models where possible, but I am not pure about it… I just do so recognizing that proprietary tools are a band-aid and could become unusable when any upgrade or TOS changes.)
As one example, keep in mind that some governments may choose to punish a software developer for making “offensive” (by whatever their standards are) content, and rather than fighting a losing battle in one jurisdiction so you in some other jurisdiction can keep using that controversial software the developer may just choose to cut their losses and turn it off for everyone. If you force them to release it anyway then said punitive government may continue to hold the developer responsible for the existence of that software.
There are rights and responsibilities associated with a proprietary model… and IMO you (and your permissive government) should not be overriding those rights for your own short-sighted benefit.
Sounds like the ol’ slippery slope argument.
There are rights and responsibilities associated with a proprietary model… and IMO you (and your permissive government) should not be overriding those rights for your own short-sighted benefit.
Kind of sounds like you misunderstood the initiative to be honest. This only affects games which have been abandoned by the developer, the proprietary model stays perfectly intact as long as you actually keep selling your games.
Isn’t prohibiting them from not releasing the server software after they shut down the ultimate way to not reward them for such behavior?
There are a weird amount of double negatives in that sentence.
To address your first point. Yes it applies to other software, this initiative applies to games because the “buyer purchases a license to allow the seller to remove your purchase at some indefinite time later” practices have been most prevalent in gaming.
Extending the scope too far will bring in more opponents than allies and muddy the discussion. Getting a decisive answer here will inform laws on how other industries should be regulated in separate but parallel legislative processes.
