Wtf?
- Premeditated Intent: Murder
- Intent without premeditation. Heat of the moment: 2nd degree Murder
- Doing something you weren’t supposed to and killing someone: involuntary homicide
- Failing to do something you were supposed to and killing someone: negligent manslaughter.
Who made this meme (and topic) and why is everyone so ignorant of the law? This almost certainly is vehicular manslaughter case or… If it can be suggested that it’s the pedestrian maybe was partially at fault it might be negligent manslaughter (ex: failed to stop when someone jumped out).
In the US, deaths deaths cars are treated less harshly than deaths involving firearms. One common example used to teach about jury biases is deaths due to drunk driving. Many jury members can empathize with driving drunk because many Americans have driven after drinking, even if they were under the legal limit
IDK if you should be calling other people ignorant if you didn’t even know that much
“less harshly” is not what the meme is OP responding to is saying. The meme is saying “vehicular manslaughter goes unpunished and you won’t even be arrested” which isn’t true at all.
What the fuck in the George Zimmerman are you talking about? Did you fall asleep through the entirety of Black Lives Matters?
You can kill someone with a gun and have it be called an accident. You can also intentionally run someone down with your vehicle and have it be called vehicular homicide.
We can say “fuck cars” without false equivalencies.
It’s worse than that.
You don’t generally blame someone for being shot by a random stranger.
But kill a cyclist or pedestrian by car? What did or didn’t they do?!?! 🧐
Its a strange world were somehow we have been conditioned to belive travel on foot or cycling is somewhat “lesser” then travel by car.
Hopefully the notion of “Car is King” dies one day, and we build cities once again for the people living in them.
I think everyone where I live would much rather walk places. It’s just that “Car is Necessary”. And I live in a walkable town, can walk to grocery store, restaurants, library, hospital (although that’s not the best example I guess), you name it. But unless your job is here you’re driving often. And if you have young kids, you’re probably driving, because they walk so slow.
Where do you live where such a notion is the norm?
I suppose when you remove intent and literally all other context, this makes sense.
I think if you kill somebody through negligent discharge of a firearm the charge would be manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide, not murder. And I think that if you intentionally run a person over with your car you’d get charged with murder.
Here the charge is nothing.
https://www.thewhig.com/feature/kingston-ontario-cyclist-fatality-police
Except people frequently do get charged with murder for pedestrian fatalities, all over the world in fact. If you can prove intent, it’s murder.
This is a rubbish take.
While working in auto claims, I handled a case involving a wealthy individual who, after drinking at a country club, caused an accident that sent another car into a pond. Instead of calling for help, he drove home to sober up before contacting the authorities. Tragically, the young driver drowned, and his family had to sue the insurance company. This case stuck with me as a stark reminder of how selfish actions, fueled by privilege, can have devastating consequences.
What an obscure and strange tale!!
Reminder to everyone, you can downvote bad memes. No offense to the OP, but I don’t think it’s good optics to have this kind of highly questionable content.
Side note: I gather “singer” must be the author’s signature, but it sure looks like the criminal is being identified as a singer for some reason.
It’s a comic by Andy Singer
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If you hit someone with a hammer, it’s assault and you go to jail. If you drop a hammer on someone accidentally, it was an accident and nothing happens to you. See how dumb that sounds?
Literally my friend was killed on his bike by a tow truck driver. The driver got like probation or something, maybe. And the company he works for has “move over and slow down, it’s the law Tow Lives Matter”
Assuming those stickers weren’t put on due to your friends death, I’m okay with them. Tow truck divers have to work on the side of highways and some have been struck and injured or killed on the job. Cars and their infrastructure suck, but we should still try to protect those who have to work on our roadways.
We can slow down and move over for both cyclists and tow trucks. It doesn’t need to be exclusive.
Cars are like tanks… there I said it
Literally
I’m confused, how exactly is a size comparison of two vehicles meant to add anything to the conversation here? Size implies lethality?
A standard city bus is about twice as long as those tanks, so is a bus twice as problematic?
Weight matters more than size, but that’s omitted from this graphic. I suspect the tanks are much heavier.
But speed matters exponentially more than weight. (kinetic energy = 1/2 * mass * velocity squared) And I’d imagine that trucks regularly go much faster than tanks.
The height of the impact point also matters The higher the front grill/bumper, the more lethal the impact. The current fad for high vehicles with flat front grills has significantly increased pedestrian deaths.
These vehicles are unacceptable large for public spaces. The threshold for CDL style licensing needs to be lowered to make modern trucks/SUVs require the training their design deserves. Also tax the bajesus out of them when they’re in city spaces. Either they’re in the neighborhood for business reasons or get out.
The point I was snarkily trying to make is that lining up tanks and trucks is a nonsense comparison, any point such a comparison attempts to make is based entirely on a knee jerk emotional reaction, one worthy of r/circlejerk
Even comparing kinetic energy of different vehicles is pretty silly, tanks were never designed for nor get used as battering rams, they’re a mobile armored gun meant to shoot shit far away. The typical truck on the road today is meant to give suburban dads a delusional sense of masculinity, to the point of sacrificing near vehicle visibility.
One was designed to kill people far away, one kills people nearby due to operator negligence
I think it makes the point that needlessly large cars add even more risk than necessary.
Buses on net reduce the number of vehicles on the road which makes them a net benefit for safety.
Puppies and toddlers have accidents.
Vehicles have collisions.
Why was the car guy named “Singer”? Was there an infamous hit-and-runner named Singer?
I think they misspelled “Sicko”
And the police can do either and it’s called justice!
no? both of them can be either an accident or murder in principle; maybe it is more common for gun killings to be murders and car killings to be accidents, but that isn’t a matter of law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
also explained in comic form here: https://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=173
Let’s not spread misinformation just because it helps a good cause.
It’s not misinformation. It’s explaining that if you want to off someone, proving murder with a car is much more difficult. You have reason to be driving a car. You have less reason to be brandishing a gun.
Yeah, but if you run over your ex while they’re out for their morning jog, for example, the police will absolutely be after you.
As a person who spent more than a few days riding around in the back of an Amp-a-Lamps, I’ve never been to any kind of “accident” scene that was truly an “accident”. If you really take the time to look at the scene and trace your finger backwards, you can always see the point where someone got stupid and started the following chain of stupidity. Sometimes others join in the stupid. Sometimes only one person is responsible for the whole stupid. And you are adjudged at least 10% at fault just for being there.
This applies to all those little/minor “accidents” also. Y’all do the stupid. Even me.
