The Chinese leader Biden told China’s ambitions to control Taiwan were unchanged at a meeting meant to reduce tensions.

    • Deceptichum@kbin.socialOP
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      10 months ago

      No, they would very thoroughly lose. China’s in no condition to take on the US, let alone decouple its economy from the global community.

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        10 months ago

        “global” is turning out to be a small handful of countries, and the other block is actively securing the rest of the world into their influence

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          10 months ago

          I mean, I agree, but that doesn’t mean China could “win” in an offensive military action against Taiwan. Taiwan is literally a fortress and Taiwan/China cultural overlap is too significant to drive strong warmongering sentiment.

          An invasion is such a silly suggestion that it doesn’t even need consideration. At best, it would be a pyrrhic victory with millions dead on both sides and the island in ruins.

          The far more likely scenario is a blockade, sorry, “economic embargo” of Taiwan… Of course, Cuba is a clear example of how a blockade economic embargo doesn’t really work, so…

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            10 months ago

            That’s a political win situation, regardless. What’s 10 million lives if you can claim that you successfully did the work that even the great leader Mao couldn’t achieve 50 years before?

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            10 months ago

            Millions? That’s just another Sunday as far as Chinese warfare goes.

            That would undoubtedly be a victory for China. A ruined island can be rebuilt and kept forever. An independent island cannot.

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            10 months ago

            China and Russia have funded and installed infrastructure to increase the quality of life (as in, keep the politicians elected, as well as put into their debt and influence) of most countries that aren’t either directly touching America, a part of Western Europe, or down Australia way.

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              10 months ago

              So US, Canada, Mexico, a lot of South America, the Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan, UK, Ireland, Scotland, all of the EU (27 countries with an 18 trillion gdp), any other western aligned or NATO countries Norway, Iceland, Australia and more…

              Against china and a country with a smaller economy than Texas… you got things backwards.

            • Deceptichum@kbin.socialOP
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              10 months ago

              Hahahaha oh fucking hell that is hilarious.

              Like you actually made me legitimately laugh, thanks for that.

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                  9 months ago

                  I’m not going to spend my effort arguing with someone with such out there believes.

                  It’s like arguing with a flat earther, why bother? They’ve decided what they want to know and that’s that.

    • The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      I’m glad he didn’t. Authoritarians are not known for their sense of humor. There was that one time he told Putin “I don’t think you have a soul” to his face. The reply was basically “we understand each other”.

      Then there was the time Obama roasted Trump at a dinner, and it made him so bitchmad that he ran for president.

      Maybe zingers should stay out of politics.

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      10 months ago

      He’s playing both sides, so he comes out on top.

      I let kbin auto-fill the post contents/title, surprised it edited it like so?

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      10 months ago

      The “Democratic” Party is owned by China, Republicans of course by Russia? 🤔

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    Has anyone read the founding documents of the PRC from 1949 1949? China’s policy has always been “we will unify with Taiwan, by military means if necessary.” It’s like saying “God Save The Queen” or “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” There’s a fundamental gap between what’s written officially as a matter of “this is what I believe” and what’s implemented in policy.

    If it didn’t warrant a hostile reaction a decade ago, it doesn’t warrant one today. China isn’t any closer to military action against Taiwan today than they were a decade ago. The First, Second, and Third Taiwan Strait Crises showed that the status quo would be basically impossible to flip militarily without millions of lives lost. It’s much easier to just expand trade, expand travel, expand cultural interchange, and expand immigration.

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      Pretty sure the founding documents are more like… the constitution, not some super creepy thing that only school kids recite. A thing that wasn’t even a thing until a civil war era union officer came up with it.

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    China has long had a unification plan. It’s not really anything new. There’s just been a huge political football made out of it for decades. And of course that led to stupidly huge over investment in their economy by the rest of the globe as a way to encourage China to back off. Xi doesn’t see the value in the status quo. It’d be like California seceding, then making tons of money while the rest of the US went fascist and built military power. Same ending.

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    There’s so much stuff coming out about China gearing towards Taiwan and its pretty scary. Either we let dictatorship shithole take a democratic militarized country by force or China will be put to Russian level shame and basically never recover. That’s some real ww3 stuff. I hope Europe gets their shit together until that time comes.

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    9 months ago

    Even Taiwan considers itself part of China, it just thinks its the mainland that’s in rebellion. It would be weird if he said they’d never take over Taiwan.

    I can’t see the CCP risking an invasion anytime in the next decade, but who knows.

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      No.

      A majority of Taiwanese support independence. Only 11% want to re-unite with the mainland one day. Taiwan has to continue to support the status quo because China will most likely declare war on them if they change that.

      This is the same China that couldn’t wait a few years to let Hong Kong fully transfer over before cracking down with brutal protests (Which helped the Taiwanese independence movement a lot). If they feel like Taiwan is going to go independent, it’s pretty likely they’ll make another rash ill thought out decision.