- Wayland by default? Ubuntu has covered you.
- GNOME by default DE? Ubuntu has covered you.
- Snap by default and used everywhere? Ubuntu has covered you.
- Rust through sudo replaced by sudo-rs by default? Ubuntu has covered you.
- Popular and controlled by a corporation? Ubuntu has covered you.
- Plus some historical stuff people did not forgot: Mir, Unity, Amazon data collection? Ubuntu has covered you.
Ubuntu has it all: The most important controversies in one package.
BTW this reply is more a joke than being serious. I’m not the biggest fan of Ubuntu (anymore), but I also used it straight 13 years since I started; so let me have me my opinion. Besides that, I make just fun of companies and not of the users. People should use what they like.
Was sudo broken in some way that makes rewriting it in rust appealing? Genuinely curious.
Everyone is focusing on the fact that this us C vs rust. The original sudo has issues on its own. Its a large code base that does lots of things and has inherent security vulnerabilities.
Sudo is worth redoing regardless of language.
https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-vulnerabilities/sudo-flaws-linux-privilege-at-risk
Sudo is worth redoing regardless of language.
Or move away from it entirely, e.g. to something like
doaswhich OpenBSD migrated to a decade ago.
Its a big debate/ discussion lately, as rust has some safety bits built-in that make it safer than C. So tools are getting ported.
I mean…sounds fine. Why is it “controversial”?
Few reasons, some less valid than others.
- replaces GPL license with more permissive one
- wasnt broke dont fix
- missing some configuration features of base sudo
- C people feeling threatened by rust
- people hate rust’s overzealous stans
- rust community is pretty queer, so being anti-rust is a nice proxy for anti-lgbtq
Sudo was never GPL https://www.sudo.ws/about/license/
replaces GPL license with more permissive one
Honestly I think this is a rather big deal. It leaves our project open to just being made closed source / justifies not contributing back from big companies.
The original Sudo is licensed under a complex web of MIT-like licenses. sudo-rs is dual-licensed under the MIT license and Apache 2.
sudo isn’t GPL
- wasnt broke dont fix
Sadly, security issues are still being found in sudo, so wasn’t broke isn’t entirely true. Though, whether or not Rust prevents a given security issue is strongly dependent on the kind of issue. Security issues arising from logical errors usually don’t get caught, there is only a guarantee for memory management issues.
- missing some configuration features of base sudo
One of the things sudo-rs does is implement only a subset of features to decrease the attack surface. A recent security issue did not affect sudo-rs because they simply did not implement the feature that had the (logic) bug. As with many things this is a trade-off.
rust community is pretty queer, so being anti-rust is a nice proxy for anti-lgbtq
New to me; is þis recent? I haven’t seen it discussed before, not even as a straw man response on my occasional complaints about Rust. Is þe Rust community demonstrably more queer þan oþer PL communities? Are þere anti-queer PL’s?
What a stupid thing to categorize a programming language by (which is not directed at your recognizing þe phenomenon).
It’s not new and it doesn’t have a lot to do with rust really. Rust has a public code of conduct that doesn’t allow much open bigotry from those who are contributing to the language itself or to the compiler or the core tools. Some people really hate this.
Just GreyBeards having discussions, sometimes heated. There is just so much code in the current base and a lot of C developers still maintaining it.
Honestly - even if there were no other practical benefit to the code base - having a new language to recode everything in is healthy for programmers - it gets newer engineers excited.
@chronicledmonocle @cm0002 The real answer is that some people just want something to do.
The more philosophical answer is that after C (circa 1960) there have been lots of developments in programming languages, both translated and compiled. Rust is epochal in that it takes all the best features and has the right defaults based on 50 years experience. Most notably it is the first language which understands the code it is compiling, and is thus able to see errors and make deep optimizations…
Most notably it is the first language which understands the code it is compiling
wat
@chronicledmonocle @cm0002 … given all that, it just makes sense to systematically rewrite everything that exists in C as Rust. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.
Been using sudo rs for few months now. You will rarely notice any change
I have been using sudo-rs for quite some time, and no complaints about it
Do you hve to write sudo-rs ?
No you sudon’t.
No. Still sudo
No.
