also i can’t help but say “look. there’s much worse things for the fucking yuppy kids to do than make art. they could go into real estate, or military advancements. every lucky baby ducky making art about how fucked the world is is a tiny victory. they should do more to make room for the rest of us, but they literally have so much privilege they don’t know how. don’t make hating them your top priority in this global system of violence”
We were all really jazzed about that healthcare CEO getting killed, and then when they arrested Luigi my coworker was like, “He was quite privileged, you know,” like we aren’t allowed to like the guy anymore.
Yes, this. Had someone get on me about this once and said it was hypocritical and conveniently selective. The reality though is that that behavior is antithetical to organizing. It imposes pointless rules that potentially push people away from the collective that we need. People don’t get a choice of the environment they are born into.
The reality though is that that behavior is antithetical to organize
That’s the point. It’s meant to be conversation stopping. If he were poor, it’s: he was envious of those who were successful.
If he’s rich: somehow they try to make it hypocritical
Because they don’t want the actual topic being discussed. That’s the point of the ad hominem, they attack the messenger so they don’t have to engage with the topic.
What kind of organizing are you talking about? I’m not interested in coordinating with people who are homicidal, thanks. It wasn’t hypocritical. It made perfect sense considering his circumstances.
You can support the “why” behind it but not the action. In this case it was people essentially writing him off entirely based solely on his position on the social ladder. Like because he comes from an affluent background means he suddenly can’t have the same qualms with the healthcare industry as working class folks.
Okay, I looked it up. I was wrong about him. We don’t have to assume. We know what his manifesto said, because it was published, and his struggle with the healthcare system was reported on in the news. Who knows what will come out in the trial, though.
When they’re putting you into one of the unmarked vans you can make yourself feel better by remembering how glad you are you never “coordinated with anyone homicidal.”
It’s not exactly your fault that your country is fucked, but it sure as hell is your fault it’s going to get worse.
So much this. I grew up fairly less affluent than most. I was once accused of being secretly rich because “no one would dress that poor on purpose”. And I’ve had a few less than stellar altercations with kids from rich families. Suffice it to say, I resented the fuck out of people with money/privilege; I still do. It’s a toxic mindset, and it drags you down and through the mud with no benefit. That old adage of “comparison is the thief of joy” really is true. Don’t let anyone steal your joy; especially yourself.
they literally have so much privilege they don’t know how
I’ll point you to Sam Reich, the quintessential liberal rich kid, who has been working overtime to platform dozens of shit kicker comedians and artists via Dropout.tv
I wouldn’t say they don’t know how. I’d say they try and most fail but a few don’t. And we’re all richer for the effort.
His dad’s one of the only mainstream democrats with consistently good takes (excluding previous support of Israel, but he’s at least stopped supporting them now), though. Not to take anything away from Sam Reich, but Robert Reich is literally a thought leader (worked in several presidential administrations including as secretary of labor under Clinton and was a professor for decades) in how to redistribute wealth. Sam could still have just been a shitty rich kid, and I’m glad he wasn’t (dropout is incredible), but he did have a much less awful example than most rich kids do.
Sam ran an episode of Game Changer that was barely more than “We trick LinkedIn into giving Jacob Wysocki $100k”
Also, plenty of legit good comedy from talented comics who struggle to get the time of day anywhere else. Idk if I’d call it “Altruistic”, but it’s a better use of Sam’s time than anyone in Silicon Valley or Wall Street could have spent it.
Yeah. From another angle, can’t blame the kids. It’s what most of us would do.
If you have a child that you love, you want the world for them. Doesn’t matter your own conditions as long as you give them the best. You don’t want unbiased equality, you want them to be the priority.
You make compromises and you make sacrifices because you must, for their sake. But you want to give them more and if you have the means, you will give them more, even if it makes you hypocritical.
also i can’t help but say “look. there’s much worse things for the fucking yuppy kids to do than make art. they could go into real estate, or military advancements. every lucky baby ducky making art about how fucked the world is is a tiny victory. they should do more to make room for the rest of us, but they literally have so much privilege they don’t know how. don’t make hating them your top priority in this global system of violence”
We were all really jazzed about that healthcare CEO getting killed, and then when they arrested Luigi my coworker was like, “He was quite privileged, you know,” like we aren’t allowed to like the guy anymore.
Yes, this. Had someone get on me about this once and said it was hypocritical and conveniently selective. The reality though is that that behavior is antithetical to organizing. It imposes pointless rules that potentially push people away from the collective that we need. People don’t get a choice of the environment they are born into.
That’s the point. It’s meant to be conversation stopping. If he were poor, it’s: he was envious of those who were successful.
If he’s rich: somehow they try to make it hypocritical
Because they don’t want the actual topic being discussed. That’s the point of the ad hominem, they attack the messenger so they don’t have to engage with the topic.
What kind of organizing are you talking about? I’m not interested in coordinating with people who are homicidal, thanks. It wasn’t hypocritical. It made perfect sense considering his circumstances.
You can support the “why” behind it but not the action. In this case it was people essentially writing him off entirely based solely on his position on the social ladder. Like because he comes from an affluent background means he suddenly can’t have the same qualms with the healthcare industry as working class folks.
Okay, why did he do it? And how do you know?
We can only assume it’s because the healthcare industry fucked him or his family over the same way it has done to a multitude of others.
Okay, I looked it up. I was wrong about him. We don’t have to assume. We know what his manifesto said, because it was published, and his struggle with the healthcare system was reported on in the news. Who knows what will come out in the trial, though.
Yeah, I admittedly hadn’t looked back at that in a while, so I couldn’t remember. Good sleuthing looking it up for both of us.
When they’re putting you into one of the unmarked vans you can make yourself feel better by remembering how glad you are you never “coordinated with anyone homicidal.”
It’s not exactly your fault that your country is fucked, but it sure as hell is your fault it’s going to get worse.
So much this. I grew up fairly less affluent than most. I was once accused of being secretly rich because “no one would dress that poor on purpose”. And I’ve had a few less than stellar altercations with kids from rich families. Suffice it to say, I resented the fuck out of people with money/privilege; I still do. It’s a toxic mindset, and it drags you down and through the mud with no benefit. That old adage of “comparison is the thief of joy” really is true. Don’t let anyone steal your joy; especially yourself.
I’ll point you to Sam Reich, the quintessential liberal rich kid, who has been working overtime to platform dozens of shit kicker comedians and artists via Dropout.tv
I wouldn’t say they don’t know how. I’d say they try and most fail but a few don’t. And we’re all richer for the effort.
His dad’s one of the only mainstream democrats with consistently good takes (excluding previous support of Israel, but he’s at least stopped supporting them now), though. Not to take anything away from Sam Reich, but Robert Reich is literally a thought leader (worked in several presidential administrations including as secretary of labor under Clinton and was a professor for decades) in how to redistribute wealth. Sam could still have just been a shitty rich kid, and I’m glad he wasn’t (dropout is incredible), but he did have a much less awful example than most rich kids do.
The rich can afford to fail… multiple times.
I don’t understand where the altruism lies in dropout.tv
Isn’t it just another arts business startup?
Sam ran an episode of Game Changer that was barely more than “We trick LinkedIn into giving Jacob Wysocki $100k”
Also, plenty of legit good comedy from talented comics who struggle to get the time of day anywhere else. Idk if I’d call it “Altruistic”, but it’s a better use of Sam’s time than anyone in Silicon Valley or Wall Street could have spent it.
Yeah. From another angle, can’t blame the kids. It’s what most of us would do. If you have a child that you love, you want the world for them. Doesn’t matter your own conditions as long as you give them the best. You don’t want unbiased equality, you want them to be the priority. You make compromises and you make sacrifices because you must, for their sake. But you want to give them more and if you have the means, you will give them more, even if it makes you hypocritical.