I’ve often thought that the cheaters should be simply shadow banned, and only match with other cheaters. Let them play against the other cheaters and see how well they do.
Cheaters also are part of why I like coop games so much more. Join a random game with a cheater, doesn’t matter too much and you can leave. Play with a group of friends and that also goes a long way to eliminating them.
I always thought there should be an “unlimited class” in the olympics where you can take anything you want. I want to see wildly drugged up athletes competing with each other.
Caaaaaarl, that kills people.
Don’t worry, you can still be buried with the medal if you win
That’s just the regular Olympics.
“And now the athletes are at the starting line for the hundred meter ketamine stagger. . . They’re waiting for the starters’ gun. . . Some of them have got confused and wandered off. . .”
"Oh, it looks Swerving Dan had a heart attack when the starting pistol went off!
That’s going to hurt his chances, Jim."
According to D’Souza, he created the Games because he believes that athletes are entitled to do what they wish with their own bodies
If that’s been agreed upon as the ruleset for their competitions, I agree
and that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) is corrupt and not paying them enough.
Also agree, it’s the individual countries that usually pay their athletes to athlete and uh… Yeah, they get sponsors for a reason, don’t they. I know a few people who’ve competed at several olympic games and just being top 10 or something in the world in your sport doesn’t exactly get you swimming in money.
I always thought professional sports games don’t have enough good ol’ gladiatorial bloodshed. If youre getting paid tens of millions per year for sports you damn well better be doing more than moving an object around.
Look, all im saying is any sports game can be made more watchable by giving players a side-armed melee wepon and allowed one swing per play iteration with no redcards. Put back in some selective pressure to turn those middle aged pudgy players and coaches into real athletes and tacticians.
I think Valve should have only recorded which players were cheating for a few weeks, then ban them all at once. Would avoid them disabling cheats now they know and would also make it more difficult to figure out what exactly is VAC detecting.
I’d love to play matches with aimbots.
I’m not good at games. Don’t care enough to git gud. Certainly wouldn’t ruin anyone’s experience by cheating. But it’d be fun to see what the game is like with everyone having perfect aim.
Cheaters aren’t only aimbots. In fact, most of the time they’re not even using aimbot because that’s one of the easiest one to tell that someone is cheating. Most of the time they can just see everyone through walls. But if it’s cheater vs cheater and they don’t care about being caught then it’s not fun or interesting because you just use aim + speed + noclip (I assume that’s possible) and just kill everyone the second the round starts.
Yeah…that’s why I said “aimbots”.
And they did it without installing root kits on our computers.
Exactly
Ha! Get fucked, losers. Cheaters ruin the fun for everyone, so I hope every last one gets permabanned.
You cannot permaban a cheater for the saame reason you shouldn’t have death penalty, people need to be able to challenge the decision which should trigger a process
As a piece of software, I highly doubt there isn’t a single bug in VAC that would cause a false-positive
This is certainly one of the comparisons of all time
Consequence of sentencing the wrong person to death: You killed an innocent life in an irreversible action.
Consequence of permabanning a player from an online game: The player can no longer play the game. The action is also reversible since “permaban” just means to say “we’re never unbanning you unless something extraordinary were to happen”.
Bro touch grass. Seriously likening a VAC ban with the death penalty?! You can just email someone if you got banned; if you wrongfully died from the death penalty you can’t just phone the judge and ask him to recheck lmao
Judges should be using ouija boards to communicate with people killed by death penalty. “So you were guilty, right?” To make sure everyone gets a chance to appeal the decision.
shadowbanning to cheater-only servers sounds like nice middle ground to me
Sometimes it’s a nice perk if you want to play modded coop with your friends ie those from mods.
If, to you, not being able to play one game in the sea of many many many games is akin to death, maybe you need to see someone about addiction.
If you cheat in a game, you’ve burned your bridge. It’s like taking a piss in the cereal isle of Kmart, you probably won’t be welcome in that Kmart any more. Or hey, maybe you’ll end up like an acquaintance I knew who was banned from a Kmart, maybe you’ll be hired on as staff without them checking the binder of banned people. I think I’ve lost the plot of this analogy.
I said cheaters, not suspected cheaters. I know that’s unrealistic, because no anticheat software is perfect, but I still want it.
Yeah, I have a very thoroughly ingrained suspicion of people treating anticheat with too much confidence stemming back to when I got banned many years ago from an online game for supposedly running a script.
I had so much lag on my dialup connection, that a backlog of all my commands hit their server at the same time, so from their perspective it looked like I’d entered over a dozen commands in under a second. Insta ban, no appeal, essentially lost access to a significant percentage of my online friends that it hadn’t occurred to me to get email addresses for.
You surely can permaban a cheater, and should. It doesn’t mean the process can’t be challenged.
Why not both?
In the worst case scenario offender can just create another Steam account, so permaban is fine.
They should use Reddit’s ban system
I agree, they should instead do a 10 gazillion year temp ban. I expect people would change by that point
/j
It does not matter if they change. They violated the community’s trust, and should never be allowed to interact with that community again, if it is worth anything.
OMG thank God, finally VAC is working??? The cheating was getting so bad. I kick and report people as much as I can but it felt like it never did anything.
Knowing this, I am not as upset about getting caught in the crossfire the other day. VAC flagged my game session after like 2 seconds and I had to reinstall completely.
I should go read some of these cheater forums and maybe talk a little shit. Little fuckers.
During a GDC conference held by John Macdonald (Engineer largely in the data side of Valve’s affairs), he stated that the training of VACnet was largely a “war of datasets”, and he expected the quality to improve as time went on and Valve labelled and processed more internal data for their anticheat.
Considering the leak for “referring to your training manual” for the employee-access version of Overwatch match reporting for CS2 might be an indicator that they were labelling the data the whole time with contractors. Now seems to be the release moment :)
This explains why I get killed so much… right? Right?
Yeah! Me too! It’s all the cheaters, not my complete lack of coordination, speed, and skill.
It’s the damn cheaters!
git gud (at blocking cheaters)
Cheaters being banned? What?
I was blissfully unaware, probably because I’m not cheating scum.
Couldn’t have happened to a better community of people.
Fuck cheaters.
IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn’t have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don’t fucking play it competitively?
There’s a reason I’ve kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn’t fun.
If you’re a cheater, get wrecked.
Bravo valve. Bravo.
I never cheat in multiplayer. But if a single-player game has a “hacking” minigame, I’m absolutely loading up Ghidra & GDB and figuring out how to actually hack around it. Pretty much always harder than just playing the minigame, but more fun.
oh god. When I played System Shock 2 for the first time, I couldn’t figure out how the hacking puzzles worked. I look up guides and asked for advice. Got told to gitgud by someone who didn’t play the game, then got told they were pure rng guided by the hacking stat. I saved scummed that shit. Don’t present me with something that looks like a puzzle, but isn’t.
I used to cheat in GunZ online, but to be fair, I was like 11, the game wasn’t competitive, and leveling up for cooler gear and to unlock new maps was HARD work.
Eventually I’d git semi gud and stopped bothering with the cheats. But it was fun as hell flying through the map with no clip, as a ball of fire that killed everything except other cheaters with godmode lmao
leveling up for cooler gear and to unlock new maps was HARD work.
There’s something to be said for skipping unreasonable grind. It’s not okay to mess with other players experience, but that other part I do get.
How is there fun.
Huh.
Woohoo to being responsible for others not having any fun playing a game!
Woo! Woooooo.
What?
I don’t know why you would admit this.
Because they were 11. Lol.
Yeah exactly, at that age knowing how to download cheats and stuff actually made you feel sorta cool, not everyone could figure it out (and I know most kids wanted to).
Then realising it’s more fun without the cheats, just getting good at the game, I’d even dare call it a story of personal development.
This is the modern internet tho. You used cheats once 20 years ago as a child. Thus your shit for the rest of your life have no right to parole and deserve to be thrown in a hole?!!1!!1!1! /S
I’ve only ever run macros for mining in a game I loved that had a terribly dreary, but almost necessary mining mechanic. They banned for macros though, so I stayed alert for approaching mods.
Depending on who it is, and it’s obviously not even close to the vast majority of cheaters I’d imagine, there are people who cheat in tournaments and the like where they can win serious money, or people cheat so they can look good in front of viewers who pay them money. At that point there is both a practical reason for why they do it and also an excellent reason to get them to fuck all the way off because they’re not just cheating but are also theives.
That’s what I don’t get cheating is rampant in online games but why? What fun is it to cheat I would think it takes the fin out of the game.
and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game
That is how they get enjoyment from the game, denying other players.
Those are the same type of people that cause damage in the economy by scamming others, leading to preventable deaths.
Being caught cheating in a game, should leave you unemployable, with no welfare, and businesses should refuse to serve you.
Just make a government black list.
I did finally win a match in CS2 after a long loss streak… it was definitely because everyone else was always cheating… not because I’m shit…
The problem is the arms race escalates forever - cheat developers will just regroup, analyse what the new VAC is doing, and start finding new exploits.
Not saying Valve should just give up; quite the opposite. The war never ends.
For me the anticheat can win. It’s just less fighting on the grounds where the cheaters have advantage (their hardware they have full control of), and on the grounds where they can’t control instead, by monitoring behaviour. chess.com is a winning example, no anti cheat software required, yet they can catch cheaters who use a different hardware for assistance (play on PC and lookup moves on phone).
That’s not the problem. The problem is people hacking software.
If we are talking about the software. The problem is the hacking of that software. I replied to a comment about the software.
The arms race is not the problem. Anti-cheat didn’t come first. The hacking of software did.
Why do you hate property rights?
I’m not defending cheating in online games or interfering with Valve’s service, but if you think the solution to stopping them is attacking “software hacking” in general as a concept, that juice ain’t worth the squeeze. “Software hacking,” fundamentally, is nothing more than modifying the operation of your computer, your property that you own. It’s no different than buying a physical paper book and then writing notes in the margin.
If you’re proposing disallowing people from doing that, you’re attacking the concept of property rights itself.
That would be absurd for me to suggest. I was not claiming that all “hacking” no matter how you define the word, as bad.
I was just stating the source of the problem here. Everyone is really sensitive about the fact.
Re-read your original comment, m8. If you really didn’t want to condemn all hacking, then you did a good job stating the exact opposite.
Context collapse strikes again! Assuming my statements won’t be taken to their extreme is exhausting.
Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel.
Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel
So this will solve the linux client not working because of crappy kernel level anti-cheat software?
Not all games employ VAC, and it’s likely that a game that would employ it in the future would need to fine tune it for the game in question. (VACnet is reliant on curated data from game servers)
nah, am talking about Games with VAC being well known for not properly catching hackers, and i assume this made the anticheat in games better not the steam client itself.
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I don’t generally have a problem with anti-cheat mechanisms except when they require things like secure-boot or allowing me to do what I want with my machine.
They’re all proprietary, wouldn’t want that crap on my system anyway. (I don’t game anymore)
At this point I nearly want to “donate” to Valve…
That’s what we call having hundred of untouched games in the steam library. Right?
Can I write them off on my taxes if I never play them?
Become a game reviewer and write them off as a business expense
I might be able to finally beat the standard deduction!
Ig buying a game will give Valve + the dev/publisher Money (cause Valve Takes 30%)
Yeah. Go buy hollow Knight, or schedule 1, or anything from an indie studio. Support both good devs and studios, and valve. And you even get a fun game to go with your support. Honestly, everyone wins.
… Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?
You think you’re going to get anti-cheat this good from the likes of epic? Ha.
… Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?
what about GOG?
Oh, right, they’re cool.
Along with humble bundle. Those guys are cool too.
GOG is awesome but limited - I can’t think of any modern multiplayer game sold on GOG. Lot of great singleplayer ones though.
I assume Steam makes it easier to make multiplayer games then GOG?
Much more so - I think largely because of Steam’s game server networking and update infrastructure.
Also anti-cheats (of any sort) and DRM-free games are kind of oil and water.
Yep, and i know this Cause one of my friends has that steamworks sdk and he finds steams api easier to work with (for multiplayer)
Hell fucking yeah.
*wreaking havoc
Though I kinda like the wrecking sentiment
TIL wreaking is a word. Whops
Good.
