Opening my weather app this morning I was greeted by this warning:
Google has announced that, starting in 2026/2027, all apps on certified Android devices will require the developer to submit personal identity details directly to Google. Since the developers of this app do not agree to this requirement, this app will no longer work on certified Android devices after that time.
It’s the first time I hear about this, seems to be about:
Cirrus app: Github
Was this a big thing I somehow missed? I hope more devs will follow suit.
This news makes me actually sad. I have had high hopes in the last years in the FOSS world, having myself and three other persons move to use Linux as daily driver on Desktop/Laptop.
My phone has FOSS apps only except for banking, health, transport tickets and 2/3 work rekated stuff. My messaging, files and pictures are handled by FOSS apps installed from third parties (F-Droid, Obtainium) on selfhosted servers… I was finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
This news sound to me like the tunnel ahaead is collapsing.
Wording of the message implies it’s possible to have uncertified version of Android… Such a thing possible?
Yes, like GrapheneOS
any version of android that’s not vendor or downloaded from the official android website
- like https://lineageos.org/
- https://e.foundation/e-os/
- or the aforementioned GrapheneOS
calyxos.org (paused)
Adding iodé to the list, cocorico !
Why everybody always forget about iodé ?
first time I hear about it, seems to be based on lineageOS?
What’s with the premium tiers? Seems a bit sketchy to be honest.
yes
Yes, think cheap android tablets that are so shit google store can barely run on it. Those devices are usually chinese knockoffs and do not ship with google services, google store or any gapps.
I don’t believe the certified android means hardware, I believe it’s only about if you have an official android build running, since if your hardware can run a custom ROM, you can get around this issue.
I think it has to do with the google certification you have to go through to sell hardware shipping with android. All devices need to be certified by google or they are not allowed to run gapps or connect to the playstore. This is what huawei lost after trump banned them, so they had to make their own shit as a replacement
It is a big thing at least in developer circles. It made the front page of Hacker News multiple times.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45087396
Thank you for these links they are fantastic! I was aware of the procedural lock in via play integrity services and also the lockdown on side loading so that didn’t get past me, but I wasn’t aware google also wants to alienate developers now by requiring ID. It seems to me google want to now fully commercialize the platform, transforming it into the ad infested network that web2+3.0 already became. I think their plan, by alienating non commercial devs, is that all apps will run on their ad models and non without them will be left.
And so it continues… Google trying to shoehorn themselves into a position of authority of the internet. Imagine they get as much sway as the banks now have? Private entities controlling the masses for massive profits. Fuck off Google.
I’m going to look into adding this to my app https://git.allpurposem.at/mat/Sudoku Indeed I do not agree with this, so it will become unavailable when the terms go into effect. I will look into making it available for Linux Mobile.
First of all thank you for providing a foss app!
I think it’s a big difference if the platform tolerates you or actively wants to stop you from doing it. You got my fullest sympathy.
Thank you so much for the kind words! It’s indeed a bad time to be an app delevoper. At least the framework I use is portable-ish, so the work won’t be fully lost.
Yet another possible antitrust lawsuit series. Some day maybe a judge will do something to help the consumers.
don’t count on the system’s judicial system to save us. it won’t.
I got the same alert on Gmaps WV (google map wrapper found f drood) Google is giving us more reasons to switch to a custom ROM
Just to clarify:
Will my apps installed from F-droid be unaffected by this?
Even apps installed outside the Play Store will need to have a “verified developer”, and this change will affect any devices that use Google Play Services, so it will be a problem even to old devices.
I don’t personally have Google Play Services installed but I can see how devastating this could be to open source on Android.
If you don’t have Google Play Services installed, then you’re not affected. Of course, how many custom ROMs will live to that day is unknown.
The Mihon dev team has already announced that they’re going to get authorized and continue their work.
It’s… an interesting choice given what they’re working on, but they also took steps to stay legal
There won’t be Fdroid on Google OS phones period
From what I gather, yes. But will you be allowed to install F-Droid? No.
I’ve heard that it will still be possible to install unverified apps via ADB, so theoretically it wouldn’t be hard to make an app installer that uses Shizuku (tool that allows you to ADB into your own device) and have a website that automatically installs that using WebUSB or something
app manager can already work as an app installer, but it needs wireless debugging enabled which can be a security risk. and you have to install app manager too somehow.
Unclear, but they are saying it will affect side-loaded apps, and no way to bypass with Developer Options, so I would assume so.
How easy is it to convert an Android app to a Linux mobile app of you’re the developer? If it’s written in JVM languages it shouldn’t be that hard right?
Just use a custom ROM. This sadly will affect app developers. But if you are on a custom ROM without GMS it will continue to work just fine.
Google is trying to kill custom ROMs too. Also I thought the majority of modern phones aren’t bootloader unlockable.
You can unlock the bootloader on just about every phone, just depends on how much effort you want to spend.
Ehhhh… sorta maybe. Ultimately they can’t, but they can make development more difficult.
Also Google has nothing to do with whether or not you’re bootloader is unlockable. Get a phone that is.
If you rally want to go down the whole FOSS path it does ultimately become a bit of a lifestyle.
End-users can use e.g. waydro.id to run Android apps on Linux.
I’m not deep into Android development, but I doubt it’s possible to just port an app without basically a complete rewrite. Android has an own layer on top of the JVM, called Zygote, and there’s presumably lots of system libraries which the Android apps implicitly depend on, for handling graphics and whatnot, which make tons of assumptions about running on an Android device.
We’ll be able to install via adb hopefully.
Install, maybe. What about updates though? Do you plan to pull out
adbfor each and every one of them? Or would you rather keep using old, potentially insecure, versions?Obviously that is not an ideal solution, but better than nothing, right?
Does anyone know if this will affect Android TV?
Wait you could install arbitrary apks on android tv?
Yup. I’ve installed a few that way
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Where are you linux hardware manufacturers ?
Syatem76? The same company that made POP OS are making PCs and laptops They claim that they made the laptop with the longest battery life
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I’ve only ever used Android, dating back to the T-Mobile G1. I think I’m now ready to switch to iPhone. If I’m going to be pigeonholed into a completely walled garden, it might as well be with a company that knows what they are doing.
I really don’t want to switch, but probably will for my next upgrade.
Screw that!
Get a Fairphone with /e/OS before you switch to the rotten apple.I absolutely get what you’re saying, and a good part of me agrees with you. Here is the thing, I’m tired boss. I’ve made an effort my whole life to use open source, privacy friendly everything.
I’m now to the point where I don’t have time for messing with phones. Fixing broken stuff, compatibility, etc etc.
I need a powerful phone with a great camera that just works.
I hear that. I finally gave in and bought an electric spy-mobile.
But be warned, the camera app is borked (at least on the FP6)
@Akip I got this message the other day. It sucks how the app won’t work on certified devices next year.
Agreed. Google just didn’t consent to you getting an app without ads. My hope is maybe we can circumvent it for a while with PWA or browser website bookmarks. Maybe long enough for alternatives to arrive or consumer protection to kick in. I refuse to give up hope even though I might need to abandon android. For now I guess I will just not buy another phone since androids time seems limited. Really hard to find something to recommend to family and friends that just works. My goto grapheneOS also seems more and more cut down with more and more apps refusing to work outside play store downloads or refusing to work on 3rd party OS.
