So that very important day is almost upon us.

October 14th is the day set for when Windows 10 stops security updates (no consumer is going to pay for extended) and begins to really push people to Windows 11. Windows 11 has strict hardware requirements that a lot of “older” devices that most people have do not meet.

And so, I am sure many individuals and companies may be getting rid of their old laptops and even desktops to recoup the vost of new devices.

What is the plan, when should we move in? What kind of deals should we be looking out for?

I want to find a great deal on a great laptop just for the fun of it. Some of my friends (converted to Linux) are waiting to get new laptops and score a deal. I have been waiting years for this day and I hope it can feel like a special day.

Any good places to look for these kinds of deals?

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    A few distros I recommend for people switching:

    Criteria Distro
    “Just Works” family/parent/aunt/uncle/grandparent/media PC for browsing the web and using normal programs (available on Flathub.org) universal Blue Aurora and Bluefin LTS
    same but want more recent software, more tech savvy person universal Blue Bluefin, Aurora, Fedora atomic Desktops
    really need custom software like VirtualBox (might run on above though), stuff not available as Flatpak, appimage, RPM or working through distrobox Debian, OpenSUSE Slowroll, NixOS
    same but want more recent updates OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, NixOS unstable
    Fixing my computer is my hobby Arch, Gentoo, …

    I explicitely, from experience, do not recommend

    • Linux f**ing mint or other nieche Distros stuck on X11, that will convince new people that Linux is worse than Windows
    • Fedora regular as upgrades always break
    • Ubuntu due to snaps, weird upgrading system, weird decisions, nonstandard customizations breaking things
    • Ubuntu derivatives due to LTS
    • small nieche distros made by few people like Nobara or CachyOS (If you dont plan to distrohop at any time)
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        My experience after many years

        Dont recommend mint to new users or they will think linux is objectively worse looking, has graphics issues with mixed DPI and multi monitor, etc etc

        Mint does some things right, some things wrong. Like flatpak, but not entire flathub. Or nice update reminder but no automatic updates.

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            “immutable”

            Why? Note that these distros are not “immutable”, but all of the below are used mostly by noobs and are all immutable

            • android
            • steamOS
            • any mobile or console OS
            • even Windows and MacOS in big parts

            Image-based means that updates and upgrades are EXTREMELY stable. They basically never break, while package-based systems ALWAYS lead you into horrible situations, unbooting desktops, broken whatever, autoremoving GNOME for whatever reason etc.

            Murphys law, if something bad can happen, it will happen. We cannot seriously use and promote systems where we expect upgrades to break them.

            I nowadays administer systems a bit and have seen completely broken systems on

            • Linux Mint
            • Fedora regular
            • Ubuntu
            • Debian

            Package-based distros are not beginner friendly. They give the user the complete ability to break their entire system, for what reason?

            Not everyone needs to be a sysadmin. If we want to convince people to switch, Linux needs to be at least as stable as Windows or even MacOS.

            declarative

            Why not?? Have you ever thought about that statement more than a few seconds?

            Why dont you see the whole picture? Declarative means you need to spend more time setting things up, having an experienced person help you will greatly improve this.

            But from then on you have a rock stable and very transparent system that will not break over time, and making changes is pretty easy.

            I made a repo on Codeberg for exactly that purpose, showing people how easy a simple NixOS setup can be.

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        Uhm I think you mean Leap. Slowroll is really new and an amazing concept.

        Semi-rolling with a few packports and a short feature delay of 3 months.

        Fedora is fine, but they dont have the longterm kernel. You can stay on the older supported version for more stable software.

        Fedora KDE broke for me once with very very nontrivially fixable DNF and RPM issues. Pretty insane. Fedora upgrades are messy and weird.

        Fedora Atomic though is nearly unbreakable. Though, NixOS might be better as /etc (and with home-manager /home) are manages and dont accumulate garnage and state