So that very important day is almost upon us.
October 14th is the day set for when Windows 10 stops security updates (no consumer is going to pay for extended) and begins to really push people to Windows 11. Windows 11 has strict hardware requirements that a lot of “older” devices that most people have do not meet.
And so, I am sure many individuals and companies may be getting rid of their old laptops and even desktops to recoup the vost of new devices.
What is the plan, when should we move in? What kind of deals should we be looking out for?
I want to find a great deal on a great laptop just for the fun of it. Some of my friends (converted to Linux) are waiting to get new laptops and score a deal. I have been waiting years for this day and I hope it can feel like a special day.
Any good places to look for these kinds of deals?
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I don’t believe most people would know about the change, and if they will, I doubt they’ll care.
As long stuff don’t break, people don’t care about OSs. It’s just as nerds.
There’s no Linux, MacOS, and Windows. There’s only ‘computer’. The computer works or does not.
Sometimes they’ll know Apple has computers too, and they’re different. That’s usually basically it.
Computer works or computer does not. There’s no computer try.
Computer think, therefore… Computer
This is the correct answer. The number of people who skip updates is way way higher than most here think. The only ones who stick to it, are nerds and commercial entities…and a lot of those swapped to 11 already.
perhaps higher amongst fediverse users, but not with the general public… default settings all around–including auto updates, no intentionally installed browser addons, maybe a wallpaper change. but that’s it… is the most common windows configuration we see, by far.
Most people straight up will ignore them for months. Eventually forced to install and reboot. No one is jumping ship to 11 if their system doesn’t handle it. They won’t even know the shit no longer updates.
If anything they’ll be glad it’s no longer forcing updates on them.
Talk about easy targets for ransomware gangs and info-stealers. I wonder what’ll be listing all over the .onion sites within a month.
I’m a nerd and not swapping to any version of Microsoft
(no consumer is going to pay for extended) begins to really push people to Windows 11
Consumers aren’t exactly ecstatic about throwing away perfectly serviceable computers just so Microsoft can push their spyware-cum-advertising platform down their throats either.
I’d say this is a great push towards Linux for anybody who knows anything about computers and isn’t a corporation with a dumbass MCSE jockey as an “IT” guy.
I-it advertises cum?
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Spyware cum!
Most of my gaming friends have been asking me about linux setup (or win10 LTSC), so it seems that crowd is ready.
I don’t think the average consumer knows about those issues. what makes you think they do?
You can convert existing Windows 10 installs to LTSC or IoT, Without losing files. I’ve been helping a few people I know switch over the last few days.
I would obviously like it if more people moved to Linux, but most people I know ain’t gonna more because of certain software…okay it’s mainly Fortnite and Call of Duty. >.>
I’ll help anyone with it who actually wants to try Linux, I got at least one person to try dual booting.
Could you share your technique om how to turn a an already installed Windows 10 into the LTSC/ IoT versions? My work laptop needs Windows (the software doesnt work with Wine on Linux) and I’d love to stay on Windows 10 for a few more years.
You can use regedit to make the LTSC IoT installer think you’re already on an LTSC IoT build so it just installs without doing a clean install.
I first learnt about it from this Youtube video but they only show how to get the base LTSC version and not IoT which will get updates until 2032.
Here’s the values I used.
“CurrentBuild”=“19044”
“CurrentBuildNumber”=“19044”
“EditionID”=“IoTEnterpriseS”
“ProductName”=“Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021”
“ReleaseId”=“2009”
“DisplayVersion”=“21H2”
I have them in a registry script along with txt guide I’ve been sending to my friends. Not sure if I can directly post them here however.
without losing files? could you please share your method? thought this was impossible since ltsc is 21h2 and consumer variant’s 22h2.
I replied to another comment explaining it.
for shits and giggles i took a win7 and a win81 straight to iot 24 with no problems on either. run the upgrade from a rufus’d (these were 2009-10 era desktops) usb made from a modded (upgradematrix) iso. going to 10 ltsc or iot should be the same process.
Never tried any of this before, I’ve barely touched Windows (outside of work) since 2023.
But a few of the more tech savvy people I know had done clean installs of Windows 10 LTSC IoT and recommended it.
So I just launched a VM and started looking stuff up to see if there was a way of doing it without needing a clean install. Because seems most people I know are more willing to risk running an EOL OS than actually backup their shit…
you could just point them to everybody’s favorite github-hosted script which has an option to unlock extended updates.
I can be a backup for that. Using Linux for fevafrd now.
eBay would be the most obvious place (often where computers sold from government auctions or business liquidations end up), but also e-waste recycling centers, actual auctions held by the companies themselves (this is where having a guy on the inside willing to give you a date of liquidation would be perfect), or just simple donations and giveaways that are “as-is”.
Do note you can’t take all machines that are being removed - in the US at least, computers bought with public money (most often schools), must be sent to e-waste or scrap reclamation due to compliance with government accounting mandates. There are exceptions to this (auctions), but those are usually never at schools or libraries.
some of the schools around me just post on their web site or fb when they’re getting rid of old systems. they’re gone within an hour or two… they’re priced to sell fast.
Must be sent to e-waste? Seriously?
That may be the play I guess. Monitor these kinds of places. They are probably going to have some good days.
When I was working as an IT contractor for a California High School district, I remember replacing the windows 10 machines myself with newer prebuilts that met the windows 11 requirements. My boss told me to throw them all into a pile, and when I asked him if there would be upcoming auction or liquidation of the spare parts, he gave me a weird look.
He then told me, “Yeah, I know it’s a lot of e-waste, but these were bought with public money, so it’s straight to ‘reclamation’. No one can sell, buy, or take these. The IT department would be in trouble.”
I got a Macbook Pro 15" 2012 (i7 Ivy quad-core) with an excellent battery for $20. retrofitted it with 16 GB for $15 and a “damaged” 500 GB SSD for $10. runs Fedora with Plasma like a dream - that kinda deal?
this morning scored a 15" hires 2011 for less than $5 that I’m gonna take the screen off and transplant it ova here. plan to rock this beast for many, many moons.
Those are great laptops and were well built. I think the 2011 might have the Radeon GPU issue though but if it’s lasted this long, you are probably safe.
My grail was a 17" MacBook Pro from that era. I saw one the other day at a tech market but the vendor wasn’t at the booth for me to make an offer =/. I’ll swing by again an see if I can get it for around $50. They really do live a second life as Linux machines and OWC keeps me supplied on replacement parts.
I have 2010s (nVidia GT330M) and 2011s (Radeon 6xxx) in various states of decay in the double digits, I get them in the sub$10 range. all of them can easily be repurposed as linux workstations, their finnicky broadcom wifi notwithstanding. all of them can have the discrete graphics turned off, whether they work or not - less heat, longer battery life, no driver complications.
this is the first 2012 I’ve gotten, as they were always unreasonably expensive for their advanced age - coulda gotten ten 2011s for the price of one 2012! so now I got one and it’s… meh; yeah it’s better (Ivy vs Sandy, HD4000 vs HD3000, USB3.0, etc.) but nothing spectacular. still, for $20 I could do worse.
Did you follow a certain guide by chance? I have a macbook but I’m slowly finding out that Apple silicone is trickier to setup Linux with.
“a macbook” is kinda broad, what model you got? no, I’m running linux on discarded macbooks for years and know my way around them.
I regret throwing the box away. I think it’s a 2019 Macbook Pro with an Intel i7 CPU. The device has been wiped but macOS Utilities is still on it. Last when I was working on it, I think I needed to reinstall a OS in order for the hardware to have a link to the Apple for firmware updates?
Today is a good day to set this device up. It’s been on my todo list.
get the serial off the bottom case, go to everymac and look it up. if it’s a 15" model, that one has the T2 chip and needs a special variant, look up t2linux
A lot of people will probably just continue using Windows 10, but yeah now I’m wondering what the best models are that don’t quiiiite support 11. I’d love to snag an decent tablet-PC
Depending on what your definition of “decent” is, I think you may be disappointed. The cutoff for support is around 8th gen intel and AMD 3000-series from circa 2017-2018. Even my old 2017 laptop with a quad-core i5-8250U is supported.
Unless there are specific recent CPU models which are not supported, I think the majority of the unsupported laptops are going to be decade-old 6th and 7th gen or 1000/2000-series machines. These machines already go for fairly low prices on the used market.
Some manufacturers have outlets for refurbished devices. They’re not like bargain bin prices, but it’s something.
There’s also a lot of electronics recyclers on eBay. I’ve haven’t had any bad experiences there.
You could also try going to local thrift stores. Don’t bother with Goodwill though. They put all their good stuff online. Unless you live near one of their dedicated electronics stores, like the one in Tallahassee, Florida.
The only other option I can think of is checking out something like Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist. Unfortunately, you do need a Facebook account for Marketplace.
No one is waiting until that day. The deals are out there already.
I bought a second-hand laptop to in an attempt to capitalize on this, but it came with Windows 11 installed anyway.
It was cheap ($300 AUD) and it meets my needs (except for STUPID LENOVO SWAPPING THE CTRL AND FN KEYS LIKE WTF LENOVO SERIOUSLY EVEN IF I SWAP THEM BACK IN THE BIOS THE LINUX TERMINAL STILL HAS THEM SWAPPED) so I’m satisfied.
try assigning ctrl to caps lock. on terminal
setxkbmap -option caps:ctrl_modifier
That wouldn’t fix the issue of muscle memory, although now that I think of it maybe the issue is that I don’t even need the control key to cycle through my command history and the reason it works in reverse is because of that.
hmm. do you mean ctrl+r?
btw which machine do you have? fn-ctrl swap from bios seems to work fine for all thinkpads i have.
I meant ctrl + up arrow. Which is what I usually do to cycle through commands. I had forgotten that I tried doing that without the ctrl (fn) key and it worked.
Oh god damnit, i forgot about the discounted laptops. I mean, i still snagged a nice little thing on the cheap, but i probably could’ve gotten a nicer thing in like two weeks
My roommate with his ancient laptop actually wants to pay for extended support of windows 10. He won’t get another computer and he won’t switch to a different os.
There are people this dumb out there.
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Because his hardware is so outdated that security updates for Windows mean nothing?
A few distros I recommend for people switching:
Criteria Distro “Just Works” family/parent/aunt/uncle/grandparent/media PC for browsing the web and using normal programs (available on Flathub.org) universal Blue Aurora and Bluefin LTS same but want more recent software, more tech savvy person universal Blue Bluefin, Aurora, Fedora atomic Desktops really need custom software like VirtualBox (might run on above though), stuff not available as Flatpak, appimage, RPM or working through distrobox Debian, OpenSUSE Slowroll, NixOS same but want more recent updates OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, NixOS unstable Fixing my computer is my hobby Arch, Gentoo, … I explicitely, from experience, do not recommend
- Linux f**ing mint or other nieche Distros stuck on X11, that will convince new people that Linux is worse than Windows
- Fedora regular as upgrades always break
- Ubuntu due to snaps, weird upgrading system, weird decisions, nonstandard customizations breaking things
- Ubuntu derivatives due to LTS
- small nieche distros made by few people like Nobara or CachyOS (If you dont plan to distrohop at any time)
Or…they could just install Linux Mint.
Linux Mint is a perfectly cromulent distro.
No.
Naw, dawg. What in the world is this list…
My experience after many years
Dont recommend mint to new users or they will think linux is objectively worse looking, has graphics issues with mixed DPI and multi monitor, etc etc
Mint does some things right, some things wrong. Like flatpak, but not entire flathub. Or nice update reminder but no automatic updates.
If you’re recommending immutable or declarative distros to new users, you are doing it way wrong…
“immutable”
Why? Note that these distros are not “immutable”, but all of the below are used mostly by noobs and are all immutable
- android
- steamOS
- any mobile or console OS
- even Windows and MacOS in big parts
Image-based means that updates and upgrades are EXTREMELY stable. They basically never break, while package-based systems ALWAYS lead you into horrible situations, unbooting desktops, broken whatever, autoremoving GNOME for whatever reason etc.
Murphys law, if something bad can happen, it will happen. We cannot seriously use and promote systems where we expect upgrades to break them.
I nowadays administer systems a bit and have seen completely broken systems on
- Linux Mint
- Fedora regular
- Ubuntu
- Debian
Package-based distros are not beginner friendly. They give the user the complete ability to break their entire system, for what reason?
Not everyone needs to be a sysadmin. If we want to convince people to switch, Linux needs to be at least as stable as Windows or even MacOS.
declarative
Why not?? Have you ever thought about that statement more than a few seconds?
Why dont you see the whole picture? Declarative means you need to spend more time setting things up, having an experienced person help you will greatly improve this.
But from then on you have a rock stable and very transparent system that will not break over time, and making changes is pretty easy.
I made a repo on Codeberg for exactly that purpose, showing people how easy a simple NixOS setup can be.
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Lol do you have 2 alt accounts? XDD
opensuse is ending slowroll. I had a pretty good experience with fedora kde edition though
Uhm I think you mean Leap. Slowroll is really new and an amazing concept.
Semi-rolling with a few packports and a short feature delay of 3 months.
Fedora is fine, but they dont have the longterm kernel. You can stay on the older supported version for more stable software.
Fedora KDE broke for me once with very very nontrivially fixable DNF and RPM issues. Pretty insane. Fedora upgrades are messy and weird.
Fedora Atomic though is nearly unbreakable. Though, NixOS might be better as /etc (and with home-manager /home) are manages and dont accumulate garnage and state
